Who will the next permanent Chelsea manager be?

[Sciatika]

1 hour ago, JaneB said:

Is it bad that I've never heard of Ange Postecoglu?

No

[JaneB]

1 hour ago, Bob Singleton said:

@xceleryx might be slightly disheartened... he's posted many a time advocating Postecoglu. It might suggest you don't bother reading other people's posts (other than those from a select few here) 😉

And what is that supposed to mean?  As a mod I do my very best to read every post, even if I'm a bit late to them sometimes as I do have another life off here.

What I should have said is that I hadn't heard of Postecoglu until I saw his name on here.

Still, you probably feel better now after one of your trademark condescending posts. 

[Bob Singleton]

59 minutes ago, JaneB said:

And what is that supposed to mean?  As a mod I do my very best to read every post, even if I'm a bit late to them sometimes as I do have another life off here.

What I should have said is that I hadn't heard of Postecoglu until I saw his name on here.

Still, you probably feel better now after one of your trademark condescending posts. 

The 😉 [winking emoji] suggests "tongue in cheek"

Still, you probably feel better using a big word like condescending without understanding how to use it correctly
[Now THAT'S "condescending"!!!]

However, on a more serious note, it is clear that you have your 'favourites'... mods, like referees, should be impartial. You are not.

[Thiago97]

You do have to wonder WTF is going on really. If the reports are true that we have this 3 man list, then something is seriously wrong.

How a club of our standing on the world football stage can find ourselves in a position to be looking at the managers of Burnley and Celtic is just bonkers.

Kompany and Postacoglu may well be fantastic managers, but they have done absolutely nothing of any note to be genuine contenders for this job. If these two are viewed as candidates, then why would we not consider the likes of Thomas Frank or Unai Emery as examples…..both have much achieved more really and at higher levels. It’s not that I want either Frank or Emery, but just highlighting two managers not really considered so far, but with stronger CV’s and experience at a higher level.

I can’t get my head around this on any level.

[McCreadie]

28 minutes ago, Thiago97 said:

You do have to wonder WTF is going on really. If the reports are true that we have this 3 man list, then something is seriously wrong.

How a club of our standing on the world football stage can find ourselves in a position to be looking at the managers of Burnley and Celtic is just bonkers.

Kompany and Postacoglu may well be fantastic managers, but they have done absolutely nothing of any note to be genuine contenders for this job. If these two are viewed as candidates, then why would we not consider the likes of Thomas Frank or Unai Emery as examples…..both have much achieved more really and at higher levels. It’s not that I want either Frank or Emery, but just highlighting two managers not really considered so far, but with stronger CV’s and experience at a higher level.

I can’t get my head around this on any level.

Agree. It’s so stupid it has to be nonsense.

[RDCW]

57 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

The 😉 [winking emoji] suggests "tongue in cheek"

Still, you probably feel better using a big word like condescending without understanding how to use it correctly
[Now THAT'S "condescending"!!!]

However, on a more serious note, it is clear that you have your 'favourites'... mods, like referees, should be impartial. You are not.

That is rude, unfair and inappropriate Bob. 

[chara]

27 minutes ago, RDCW said:

That is rude, unfair and inappropriate Bob. 

Bob...impartial?...some of us have had pm knuckle raps from Jane ...and rightly so.

Not all dirty washing is done in public.

[Chelsea_Matt]

1 hour ago, Bob Singleton said:

The 😉 [winking emoji] suggests "tongue in cheek"

Still, you probably feel better using a big word like condescending without understanding how to use it correctly
[Now THAT'S "condescending"!!!]

However, on a more serious note, it is clear that you have your 'favourites'... mods, like referees, should be impartial. You are not.

Don’t forget to tell everyone you’re a photographer - you missed that bit out. 

[Box of Tricks]

I've just clocked that someone voted for Rafa Benitez and I want to send them help, some chicken and a fishing rod.

[asvaberg]

10 minutes ago, Box of Tricks said:

I've just clocked that someone voted for Rafa Benitez and I want to send them help, some chicken and a fishing rod.

I have the fishing equipment I need here in my boat in Norway and the fish is fresh and healthy. 

And I'm grateful for your offering in help and chicken 🙂 🙂

[Blue Moon]

You’re right. I had one more G&T than was strictly advisable, and I’ve retracted my vote now. However, in the meantime I see someone else has similarly overindulged. Tried fishing with chicken and find either it is not successful, or I’m a crap fisherman. Please send gin and ground bait.

[chara]

1 minute ago, Blue Moon said:

You’re right. I had one more G&T than was strictly advisable, and I’ve retracted my vote now. However, in the meantime I see someone else has similarly overindulged. Tried fishing with chicken and find either it is not successful, or I’m a crap fisherman. Please send gin and ground bait.

I found chicken very effective in the Caribbean shark fishing...you just have to make sure you don't use one that can swim.

 

[boratsbrother]

Although I was strongly against  us appointing  Rafa, i have to give him credit for the very good job he did under difficult circumstances.

Not only won us a Euro trophy and a to four finish, he also got us playing some very good football by the end with Luiz in particular being absolutely outstanding! 

By the end of his time I impressed enough by the work he'd done for me to be happy enough for him to be kept on as manager. His time at the top clubs has come and gone now though.

[chara]

2 minutes ago, boratsbrother said:

Although I was strongly against  us appointing  Rafa, i have to give him credit for the very good job he did under difficult circumstances.

Not only won us a Euro trophy and a to four finish, he also got us playing some very good football by the end with Luiz in particular being absolutely outstanding! 

By the end of his time I impressed enough by the work he'd done for me to be happy enough for him to be kept on as manager. His time at the top clubs has come and gone now though.

Agree bb but the general "disdain" and dislike had little to do with his contribution as "Interim"  to Chelsea Football events!

Better coach than GP but as you say his day is long gone.

 

[Rob B]

The CFC journalist and podcaster, Simon Phillips was a guest of Daniel Finkelstein (CFC Director) at the Bridge today.  

He tweeted him thanks for hosting etc  and around about the same time posted a picture of Poch sliding on his knees…

Make of that what you will!!

[Rob B]

I should probably add, I think it’ll be Poch, not necessarily because of that tweet, but more so the fact that anyone else we are being linked with would be bloody insanity! 

Kompany may well become a really good manager, but come on…

And in fairness to Pochettino, he actually ticks a lot of boxes. 

[kev61]

4 hours ago, JaneB said:

Is it bad that I've never heard of Ange Postecoglu?

 

I'd never heard of Nagelsmann or Postecoglu! until they were brought up here - but then I don't 'analyse' football the way some folk do.

If there's a dunce in the class it's me!.

 

[Original 21]

Long article by Matt Law doing the rounds from three years ago on why Pochettino was the right manager for Man United. Still relevant on Pochettinho’s management style. (Paywall removed)

Mauricio Pochettino is a believer in what he describes as “energia universal”, the principle of which revolves around a guiding power meaning nothing happens by chance.

That universal energy is once again blowing in his direction after Manchester United’s elimination from the Champions League and Real Madrid’s struggles in La Liga and Europe.

It is now over a year since Pochettino was sacked by Tottenham Hotspur and he is more than ready to channel his own energy back into a new project. 

Whether or not that proves to be United, as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s successor, or at Madrid, in place of Zinedine Zidane, remains to be seen, but the Old Trafford club should act now before they miss out on the injection of energy they so desperately need.

Pochettino first signposted his belief in energia universal when discussing Harry Kane’s ability to score in London derbies, so the fact the striker last week became the highest-ever scorer in North London derbies will not have surprised his old manager.

It is not only about positive energy for Pochettino, either, as eliminating the negative energy, of the sort Paul Pogba’s agent Mino Raiola cast over United on the eve of their most important game of the season so far, is equally important.

So how would Pochettino go about fixing United? The job is not dissimilar to the one he inherited at Tottenham, albeit on a much larger scale, and the principles he first relied upon in English football at Southampton seven years ago still apply.

Responsibility is something that Pochettino demands of his players, on and off the pitch, and many would argue that it is a quality that has been lacking at United since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson. Too often the United players have let their managers carry the can for their poor performances, but Pochettino has always made it one of his first jobs to challenge the mentalities of those working under him.

Upset with the amount of running Pochettino was demanding from his newly-inherited Southampton squad on Mondays after games, Rickie Lambert went to see the Argentine to request a relaxation. He was listened to politely and the pair shook hands.

“I went out (of the office) and went back to the lads made up thinking, ‘yep, just done it for you boys, next Monday gonna be sorted’,” said Lambert. “So, I played the game [the next weekend], 90 minutes again, come in Monday, not only did we do 12, we did 24 runs – 24 runs and I just knew, I was running around laughing and almost crying and I knew what he was doing, he was breaking me and he did, he broke me.”

Lambert quickly came round to Pochettino’s way of thinking and went on to play for England and earn a dream move to Liverpool.

Those who do not show Pochettino they can handle responsibility or abide by his values generally do not last too long, although they are all given a chance. It seemed a puzzling decision, when, on being appointed by Tottenham, he named Emmanuel Adebayor and Younes Kaboul among his three captains.

Adebayor’s behavioural problems were already well known inside and outside Spurs, while Kaboul was a strong character whose form was wildly erratic. But Pochettino wanted to be sure of whether or not they could channel their energy in the right direction. 

It did not take long for both men to prove they could not and they quickly disappeared, with Adebayor’s demotion allowing Kane to grab his chance and Kaboul’s departure creating space for Pochettino to later sign Toby Alderweireld.

Kane, Alderweireld and Hugo Lloris, who was the third of Pochettino’s three captains and evidently showed he could handle responsibility, remain, along with Son Heung-min, Tottenham’s most important players to this day.

One can only guess how Pochettino would handle United’s squad, but it is fair to assume that Pogba would be given a chance before being quickly cast aside if he could not show he was invested in the team and the club, rather than waiting for an opportunity to get out.

When Kyle Walker made it clear he was no longer invested in Pochettino’s Tottenham project and wanted to move to Manchester City, he was swiftly replaced by Kieran Trippier with minimum fuss or fall-out. Marcus Rashford appears to be the perfect profile of player, a young man who has shone on and off the pitch, to continue to flourish under Pochettino while it is on record that he wanted to work with both Anthony Martial and Bruno Fernandes at Tottenham.

With Rashford, Fernandes, captain Harry Maguire and David de Gea already at Old Trafford, there appears to be a ready-made leadership group that Pochettino evolved with Lloris, Kane and Jan Vertonghen at Tottenham. 

Pochettino would not fine his Spurs players for being a couple of minutes late or wearing the wrong clothing, as he wanted characters who were brave enough to express themselves. But respect always had to be shown and, in Lloris, Kane and Vertonghen, he had players who led by example and set the standards for others to follow.

Players were expected to greet Daniel Levy with a ‘hello’ or handshake in the canteen, rather than trying to hide from view of the Tottenham chairman, and United’s squad would be expected to behave in a similar fashion.

Maguire’s down-to-earth personality and determination to work his way through what has been a difficult time would be appreciated by Pochettino and the 27-year-old could expect to be given the best possible chance to recapture the form that made him one of England’s best players at the 2018 World Cup.

It has been clear through Pochettino’s management career that he enjoys working with young, pliable players and one can only imagine that he would relish the opportunity to help shape the careers of talents such as Mason Greenwood and Aaron Wan-Bissaka, while the problem of Maguire’s central defensive partner may be solved, in the short-term at least, by looking from within the squad.

Axel Tuanzebe is a defender who has shown plenty of promise, both during his limited opportunities at United and on loan at Aston Villa, and the 23-year-old may well be the youngster who would benefit most if Pochettino succeeded Solskjaer.

Most of all, however, Pochettino would ensure United were never reliant on one man in the way they have been since the arrival of Fernandes. Pep Guardiola once described Tottenham as ‘the Harry Kane team’, but that was never true and Pochettino’s sides often coped without their talismanic striker when he was injured.

Pochettino would talk up the talents of his players who were not in the team, even including his reserve goalkeepers, and would always bristle when faced with any accusation of fielding ‘a weakened side’. That is because he wanted his entire squad to feel that positive energy, the “energia universal”, for when they were called upon.

Players were never viewed as coming in from the cold or being thrown in unprepared. Instead, Pochettino’s teams are like families, with everybody aware of their value, and United’s family has been broken for some time. It is clear who should be tasked with repairing it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/09/family-values-responsibility-self-belief-mauricio-pochettino/

 

Edited April 22, 2023 by Original 21

[kev61]

25 minutes ago, boratsbrother said:

Although I was strongly against  us appointing  Rafa, i have to give him credit for the very good job he did under difficult circumstances.

Not only won us a Euro trophy and a to four finish, he also got us playing some very good football by the end with Luiz in particular being absolutely outstanding! 

By the end of his time I impressed enough by the work he'd done for me to be happy enough for him to be kept on as manager. His time at the top clubs has come and gone now though.

Yeah.I quite liked Benitez,seemed tactically 'aware' but I was never going to say that on the old site!

One can only take so much abuse😉

[Bob Singleton]

15 minutes ago, kev61 said:

Yeah.I quite liked Benitez,seemed tactically 'aware' but I was never going to say that on the old site!

One can only take so much abuse😉

I too had no problem with Rafa, but then I'm not quite as tribal as some.

[xceleryx]

9 hours ago, Bison said:

@xceleryx has willed this into existence. 

He's the appointment we should've made over Potter. 

And as much as I've still love to see big Ange here, and did vote for him, Poch is the more sensible of choices. 

[ROTG]

2 hours ago, Rob B said:

Kompany may well become a really good manager, but come on…

As soon as he is linked to our club to his current team loose at home to a team near the bottom of the league.    Bizarre. 

Edited April 23, 2023 by ROTG

[ROTG]

11 hours ago, Bob Singleton said:

Agree 100%

During sanctions - and long before we knew who the new owners would be - stories were emerging from other clubs who had players on loan from Chelsea that all lines of communication were cut. No replies to emails, phone calls, faxes... nothing. I recall one club manager/director saying something along the lines of "it wasn't a case of them saying 'sorry, we can't discuss anything because of the sanctions', it was just absolute silence."

I read Buck had already lost a lot of trust amongst other chairmen following on from the Super League fiasco. Just a few days before it was announced, he'd assured many of them that CFC was wholly opposed to the scheme. That we were one of the last to join and first to leave cut no ice... he was no longer a man whose word could be relied upon. As for Marina; she was always likely to leave due to how close she was to Abramovich, and not just because of how her staying might impact on-going sanctions on the club. Whatever the circumstances, she was never likely to stay very long in a non-Abramovich owned Chelsea.

 

So are you saying when Rudi and Christensen became free agents in January. Marina & Co didn’t draw up a list of replacements because they new Roman was going to be sanctioned mid March?

Maybe Marina & Co dinner in February with TT and his staff was to give them a head up of what was to come in March?

[kev61]

2 hours ago, Original 21 said:

Long article by Matt Law doing the rounds from three years ago on why Pochettino was the right manager for Man United. Still relevant on Pochettinho’s management style. (Paywall removed)

Mauricio Pochettino is a believer in what he describes as “energia universal”, the principle of which revolves around a guiding power meaning nothing happens by chance.

That universal energy is once again blowing in his direction after Manchester United’s elimination from the Champions League and Real Madrid’s struggles in La Liga and Europe.

It is now over a year since Pochettino was sacked by Tottenham Hotspur and he is more than ready to channel his own energy back into a new project. 

Whether or not that proves to be United, as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s successor, or at Madrid, in place of Zinedine Zidane, remains to be seen, but the Old Trafford club should act now before they miss out on the injection of energy they so desperately need.

Pochettino first signposted his belief in energia universal when discussing Harry Kane’s ability to score in London derbies, so the fact the striker last week became the highest-ever scorer in North London derbies will not have surprised his old manager.

It is not only about positive energy for Pochettino, either, as eliminating the negative energy, of the sort Paul Pogba’s agent Mino Raiola cast over United on the eve of their most important game of the season so far, is equally important.

So how would Pochettino go about fixing United? The job is not dissimilar to the one he inherited at Tottenham, albeit on a much larger scale, and the principles he first relied upon in English football at Southampton seven years ago still apply.

Responsibility is something that Pochettino demands of his players, on and off the pitch, and many would argue that it is a quality that has been lacking at United since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson. Too often the United players have let their managers carry the can for their poor performances, but Pochettino has always made it one of his first jobs to challenge the mentalities of those working under him.

Upset with the amount of running Pochettino was demanding from his newly-inherited Southampton squad on Mondays after games, Rickie Lambert went to see the Argentine to request a relaxation. He was listened to politely and the pair shook hands.

“I went out (of the office) and went back to the lads made up thinking, ‘yep, just done it for you boys, next Monday gonna be sorted’,” said Lambert. “So, I played the game [the next weekend], 90 minutes again, come in Monday, not only did we do 12, we did 24 runs – 24 runs and I just knew, I was running around laughing and almost crying and I knew what he was doing, he was breaking me and he did, he broke me.”

Lambert quickly came round to Pochettino’s way of thinking and went on to play for England and earn a dream move to Liverpool.

Those who do not show Pochettino they can handle responsibility or abide by his values generally do not last too long, although they are all given a chance. It seemed a puzzling decision, when, on being appointed by Tottenham, he named Emmanuel Adebayor and Younes Kaboul among his three captains.

Adebayor’s behavioural problems were already well known inside and outside Spurs, while Kaboul was a strong character whose form was wildly erratic. But Pochettino wanted to be sure of whether or not they could channel their energy in the right direction. 

It did not take long for both men to prove they could not and they quickly disappeared, with Adebayor’s demotion allowing Kane to grab his chance and Kaboul’s departure creating space for Pochettino to later sign Toby Alderweireld.

Kane, Alderweireld and Hugo Lloris, who was the third of Pochettino’s three captains and evidently showed he could handle responsibility, remain, along with Son Heung-min, Tottenham’s most important players to this day.

One can only guess how Pochettino would handle United’s squad, but it is fair to assume that Pogba would be given a chance before being quickly cast aside if he could not show he was invested in the team and the club, rather than waiting for an opportunity to get out.

When Kyle Walker made it clear he was no longer invested in Pochettino’s Tottenham project and wanted to move to Manchester City, he was swiftly replaced by Kieran Trippier with minimum fuss or fall-out. Marcus Rashford appears to be the perfect profile of player, a young man who has shone on and off the pitch, to continue to flourish under Pochettino while it is on record that he wanted to work with both Anthony Martial and Bruno Fernandes at Tottenham.

With Rashford, Fernandes, captain Harry Maguire and David de Gea already at Old Trafford, there appears to be a ready-made leadership group that Pochettino evolved with Lloris, Kane and Jan Vertonghen at Tottenham. 

Pochettino would not fine his Spurs players for being a couple of minutes late or wearing the wrong clothing, as he wanted characters who were brave enough to express themselves. But respect always had to be shown and, in Lloris, Kane and Vertonghen, he had players who led by example and set the standards for others to follow.

Players were expected to greet Daniel Levy with a ‘hello’ or handshake in the canteen, rather than trying to hide from view of the Tottenham chairman, and United’s squad would be expected to behave in a similar fashion.

Maguire’s down-to-earth personality and determination to work his way through what has been a difficult time would be appreciated by Pochettino and the 27-year-old could expect to be given the best possible chance to recapture the form that made him one of England’s best players at the 2018 World Cup.

It has been clear through Pochettino’s management career that he enjoys working with young, pliable players and one can only imagine that he would relish the opportunity to help shape the careers of talents such as Mason Greenwood and Aaron Wan-Bissaka, while the problem of Maguire’s central defensive partner may be solved, in the short-term at least, by looking from within the squad.

Axel Tuanzebe is a defender who has shown plenty of promise, both during his limited opportunities at United and on loan at Aston Villa, and the 23-year-old may well be the youngster who would benefit most if Pochettino succeeded Solskjaer.

Most of all, however, Pochettino would ensure United were never reliant on one man in the way they have been since the arrival of Fernandes. Pep Guardiola once described Tottenham as ‘the Harry Kane team’, but that was never true and Pochettino’s sides often coped without their talismanic striker when he was injured.

Pochettino would talk up the talents of his players who were not in the team, even including his reserve goalkeepers, and would always bristle when faced with any accusation of fielding ‘a weakened side’. That is because he wanted his entire squad to feel that positive energy, the “energia universal”, for when they were called upon.

Players were never viewed as coming in from the cold or being thrown in unprepared. Instead, Pochettino’s teams are like families, with everybody aware of their value, and United’s family has been broken for some time. It is clear who should be tasked with repairing it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/12/09/family-values-responsibility-self-belief-mauricio-pochettino/

 

It's a very nice 'story' but maybe that's all it is and we have to take Matt law's word for it?.

[xceleryx]

14 minutes ago, ROTG said:

So are you saying when Rudi and Christensen became free agents in January. Marina & Co didn’t draw up a list of replacements because they new Roman was going to be sanctioned mid March?

Maybe Marina & Co dinner in February with TT and his staff was to give them a head up of what was to come in March?

Based on Rudigers interview after leaving we were in contracts talks with him during the season which begun in August between himself, his brother and Marina. An offer was put forward which he wasn't happy with, then radio silence from Marina until the 3rd of January, which is when they spoke again. Negotiations continued and then the sanctions hit shortly after. From that point onwards things were stuck until the sanctions were lifted. With the uncertainty around the club, a contract that was ending in June, and interest from other clubs, he ultimately agreed to join Real Madrid because he didn't want to wait until June to sort his future. 

I doubt Marina & Co were arranging replacements (for Rudiger at least) while in active contract talks to extend.