ROTG Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Ham said: How many times are you going to post this, almost word for word? Because it easy for some on here to sledge the previous coach, without giving any concrete comparisons where the new coach will exceed the previous coach. winning the championship with a PL team by the skin of his teeth and losing more games than Poch is a positive for the coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 9 minutes ago, ROTG said: Because it easy for some on here to sledge the previous coach, without giving any concrete comparisons where the new coach will exceed the previous coach. winning the championship with a PL team by the skin of his teeth and losing more games than Poch is a positive for the coming season. The operative word is "winning" . Missing from the majority of Poch's CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: The operative word is "winning" . Missing from the majority of Poch's CV. Ok So Maresca has a winning mentality, having been sacked from his first job in Italy, and took a premier league squad back into the PL from the championship. “Even Scott Parker managed that feat” Moving on time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Michael Tucker Posted July 9 Popular Post Share Posted July 9 Why don't we all just give Maresca a chance? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said: Why don't we all just give Maresca a chance? Keep such outlandish takes to yourself! 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, Michael Tucker said: Why don't we all just give Maresca a chance? To my eyes, it would seem that most of us are doing that, but I can understand why a few are sceptical based on his limited experience as a head coach, or others who believed in the last coach’s methods are wary. We need to see what happens on the pitch when the league games get going. Guardiola’s first season at Man City had the (now fawning) media saying that his methods weren’t working and questioning his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrina F. Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 What Caicedo said about Pochettino's training methodology is open knowledge. It's been well known forvever, the guy has coached 2 other PL clubs. It begs the question if there's this vision on the club model and what style of play to follow, why go for the guy who's known for physicality, directness, pressing as the way to create chances ? If they changed their minds in a year, then the lack of vision is worrying. After Potter, we were told players didn't run enough or train hard enough. So if we fail next season, do we go back to Red Bull style football? That's the crux of the matter. And this is coming for someone who absolutely prefers control and possession over chaos and all press all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 8 minutes ago, Sabrina F. said: What Caicedo said about Pochettino's training methodology is open knowledge. It's been well known forvever, the guy has coached 2 other PL clubs. It begs the question if there's this vision on the club model and what style of play to follow, why go for the guy who's known for physicality, directness, pressing as the way to create chances ? If they changed their minds in a year, then the lack of vision is worrying. After Potter, we were told players didn't run enough or train hard enough. So if we fail next season, do we go back to Red Bull style football? That's the crux of the matter. And this is coming for someone who absolutely prefers control and possession over chaos and all press all the time. I'm wondering if there was actually a plan. A bit of a mad one but a plan nevertheless , hire a coach whose reputation was founded on fitness who will ensure come the end of the campaign that the players are as fit as possible. Then jettison him for a coach who has a reputation for tactical football . The perfect melding of philosophies . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: I'm wondering if there was actually a plan. A bit of a mad one but a plan nevertheless , hire a coach whose reputation was founded on fitness who will ensure come the end of the campaign that the players are as fit as possible. Then jettison him for a coach who has a reputation for tactical football . The perfect melding of philosophies . Makes as much sense as anything since the new overlords.🙃 Mind you it's a fine line between such theories and reality.The Grassy Knole, The fake Moon Landing, GP was a football coach ,The Roswell "Weather Ballon", chara knows what he's talking about, VAR is neutral,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: I'm wondering if there was actually a plan. A bit of a mad one but a plan nevertheless , hire a coach whose reputation was founded on fitness who will ensure come the end of the campaign that the players are as fit as possible. Then jettison him for a coach who has a reputation for tactical football . The perfect melding of philosophies . How can you have an initial plan, when you are given a bag of dolly mixtures and a majority with zero PL miles on the clock. Poch wasn’t the perfect coach, however he was a revelation getting to 6th with what he had at his disposal, and proving Enzo is a millstone around the team neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 11 minutes ago, ROTG said: How can you have an initial plan, when you are given a bag of dolly mixtures and a majority with zero PL miles on the clock. Poch wasn’t the perfect coach, however he was a revelation getting to 6th with what he had at his disposal, and proving Enzo is a millstone around the team neck. How can you have an initial plan when you're own innate cowardice will negate that at every opportunity , culminating in throwing a trophy because you cowardly decided to try playing for penalties and then cowardly put the blame on the players afterwards? He proved Enzo was a millstone around the teams neck ? How? He played him week in , week out until he got so badly injured he had to have an operation to put it right. Like Hazard pulling the club over the line for Sarri , Cole Palmer did all the work for Pochettino , the man who didn't want to sign him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: How can you have an initial plan when you're own innate cowardice will negate that at every opportunity , culminating in throwing a trophy because you cowardly decided to try playing for penalties and then cowardly put the blame on the players afterwards? He proved Enzo was a millstone around the teams neck ? How? He played him week in , week out until he got so badly injured he had to have an operation to put it right. Like Hazard pulling the club over the line for Sarri , Cole Palmer did all the work for Pochettino , the man who didn't want to sign him. Ok. whatever. BTW - Poch has left the building. Let’s see how his successor goes. Only 14 days to Wrexham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, ROTG said: Ok. whatever. BTW - Poch has left the building. Let’s see how his successor goes. Only 14 days to Wrexham. BTW You were the one who mentioned Pochettino. If you don't want to be questioned about the merits of lack of them of Pochettino don't keep refencing any mention of Maresca back to Pochettino. If Maresca is terrible I'm sure we'll all say so but let's give him ten minutes first eh? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: How can you have an initial plan when you're own innate cowardice will negate that at every opportunity , culminating in throwing a trophy because you cowardly decided to try playing for penalties and then cowardly put the blame on the players afterwards? He proved Enzo was a millstone around the teams neck ? How? He played him week in , week out until he got so badly injured he had to have an operation to put it right. Like Hazard pulling the club over the line for Sarri , Cole Palmer did all the work for Pochettino , the man who didn't want to sign him. Brutal takedown but spot on, as always, Mr. K. 💀💯👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 37 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: BTW You were the one who mentioned Pochettino. If you don't want to be questioned about the merits of lack of them of Pochettino don't keep refencing any mention of Maresca back to Pochettino. If Maresca is terrible I'm sure we'll all say so but let's give him ten minutes first eh? On 08/07/2024 at 17:20, east lower said: See the link, one-by-one more will come out as regards what was happening under the last coach. Now, which method is/was the best approach is very much debatable but given the stuff regarding injuries that were recited to me (and then posted on the forum) it seems that the run, run, run mentality probably contributed to the last coach’s leaving. On 08/07/2024 at 17:29, ROTG said: Going to be interesting to compare players / team distance covered vs last season. On 08/07/2024 at 17:43, east lower said: You’ll probably find that there’s not going to much difference on the pitch in those stats. If we lose games in the second half repeatedly then there might be some correlation, but we conceded plenty last season in the last 20 minutes and supposedly were fit. Injuries might be a better comparison? On 08/07/2024 at 20:31, ROTG said: More inclined to see the performance with or without Enzo. tried to search a on km per games for Leicester, but without any success. Not sure a new version of sarriball will mean the players have to be at the highest fitness level. On 08/07/2024 at 20:37, ROTG said: 63pts, domestic cup semi final and final and finishing above 6th should be the minimum bar for the new coach, especially as he’s got all the game changers available, which the previous coach never had. If you want to give it large no problem, just make sure you have the correct facts. As for mascara. Been waiting to eat humble pie on this forum since the appointment of the nobody coach. happy to eat humble pie for the new coach with all the game changes back, exceeds last seasons PL total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 4 hours ago, ROTG said: How can you have an initial plan, when you are given a bag of dolly mixtures and a majority with zero PL miles on the clock. Poch wasn’t the perfect coach, however he was a revelation getting to 6th with what he had at his disposal, and proving Enzo is a millstone around the team neck. Here is where you mentioned Pochettino. You almost had me doubting myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 16 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: I'm wondering if there was actually a plan. A bit of a mad one but a plan nevertheless , hire a coach whose reputation was founded on fitness who will ensure come the end of the campaign that the players are as fit as possible. Then jettison him for a coach who has a reputation for tactical football . The perfect melding of philosophies . I said this above earlier but before Poch arrived a big complaint about us was our fitness, getting in a fitness focused manager wasn't necessarily the wrong choice and we certainly looked 10x fitter when it came to running out games. Secondary to that, the youthfulness of the squad also required a manager that had a bit of experience in handling younger players. Plans can obviously change over time, but looking back at where we were when Poch arrived he wasn't necessarily ill-fitting IMO . Even from a tactical perspective some of the basics, such a possession focused play, was there. I don't it so much as a meddling of philosophies, but more an expansion of the bones had before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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