Mauricio Pochettino leaves Chelsea by mutual consent

[Max Fowler]

51 minutes ago, ROTG said:

Poch is not the problem, the quality of the playing staff is the problem. 

There are multiple problems bro.

[Max Fowler]

If anyone can tell me what Poch has done in his career that would suggest he will be a big loss when goes, I'd love to hear it.

[Thiago97]

I posted a link recently that compared Poch start at Spurs against Villas Boas. I thought it was quite interesting, as there are a number of parallels, compared with the situation currently at Chelsea.

It's worth highlighting how Poch first 15 games went at Spurs.

W6 D3 L6 - F18 A21 - Points 21

He clearly did quite a good job at Spurs over time, but its just worth remembering it didn't happen overnight, and within the first few months of taking over.

[ROTG]

6 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

There are multiple problems bro.

There has been since the day HMG decided to play politics with a football owner to get extra brownie points on the world stage.
 

Same is for the new ownership, with the discussions at a point of rinse and repeat.

IMO if Pochettino gets 54pts out of the squad he has worked wonders “and probably drinks double diamond”

[ROTG]

42 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

neither  is true alone - there are far deeper problems all the way through.  Not being able to name them is not the same as being able to deny them.

Player Prices >(1) Player Quality >(2) Player Performances >(3) Team Performances >(4) Chances created - Chances conceded >(5) Goals scored - Goals Conceded >(6) Points Achieved

You can blame the scouting team for (1) and Poch for (3)
A lack of togetherness and team spirit for (6) (caused IMO by too many new players, too young and the hideous end of season experience under the Temp).
But there are deep issues going on, which we cannot see.  Player quality is far from the main issue.  Player Quality is far far greater than that of a 19 point PL team.

Several variant IMO

1, allowing scouts with zero football coaching experience to build a team -> 2, a decent coach dumb enough to accept a position without any real research into the squad being given to him -> 3 the quality and inexperience of the recruited players who could survive as individuals in experienced teams, however throw them all into on pot and hey presto it’s Chelsea FC the bonkers club. -> 5, maybe with return of players in the coming weeks one could see the trajectory heading towards the 54pts season which is the level of this particular squad when fully fit. 
 

I Pochettino decides to do a back me of sack to the TBSD for January window, then the above is null and void. 

[ROTG]

14 minutes ago, Thiago97 said:

W6 D3 L6 - F18 A21 - Points 21

He clearly did quite a good job at Spurs over time, but its just worth remembering it didn't happen overnight, and within the first few months of taking over.

 Good comment however the spuds squad was had finished the previous season on 69pts under Sherwood and poch got 64pts in his first season and 70pts in his second season which was less than ABV 😳

For what our club has at the moment he is good enough. 

[Dwmh]

16 minutes ago, ROTG said:

1, allowing scouts with zero football coaching experience to build a team ->

We have been doing that for decades, it works more often than not.

 

18 minutes ago, ROTG said:

maybe with return of players in the coming weeks one could see the trajectory heading towards the 54pts season which is the level of this particular squad when fully fit.

I kind of agree 54 points is a reasonable target showing improvement.
Of course if instead of 5 out of the last 9 games, we had maintained steady progress and got 12 we would have had 51 points last year.
54 wouldn't look as impressive.  But I think those 9 games did permanent damage to the players so a 44 point base is the right level to progess from.

23 minutes ago, ROTG said:

I Pochettino decides to do a back me of sack to the TBSD for January window, then the above is null and void. 

It doesn't help if Poch goes.  It doesn't hurt much either, Poch doesn't matter a lot.

[ROTG]

10 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

We have been doing that for decades, it works more often than not.

Not quite. Every Coach or Manager brought in during the RA era usually brought one or two players with them ensuring the type of football they wanted to player could be transmitted through their players brought in. As you say others were club signing. 

[Dwmh]

4 minutes ago, ROTG said:

Not quite. Every Coach or Manager brought in during the RA era usually brought one or two players with them ensuring the type of football they wanted to player could be transmitted through their players brought in. As you say others were club signing. 

Not AVB, his team was brought in by de Visser.  What happened regularly was that squads were assembled by non specialists (or semi-specialists like Emenalo) and when the board was happy that the ponies were ready to race a big manager got brought in.  Only the big names were allowed to make their own choices and only 1 or 2 players.
Even then you have to interpret Mourinho claiming that X or Y was all his choice because he loves that player so much with a lot of salt.

[McCreadie]

It’s folly of the highest magnitude, to refuse to accept that getting Spurs to a CL final is a truly monumental achievement.

Akin to putting man on the moon, or the invention of electricity.

[Dwmh]

4 hours ago, Dwmh said:

Player Prices >(1) Player Quality >(2) Player Performances >(3) Team Performances >(4) Chances created - Chances conceded >(5) Goals scored - Goals Conceded >(6) Points Achieved

I want to write this more clearly

Based on:                                      We are:
Player Prices                            an 85 point team
Player Quality                            a 75 point team
Player Performances             a 65 point team
Team Performances               a 60 point team
Chances For - Against           a 55 point team
Goals For - Against                 a 50 point team
19 pts from 16 =>               is a 45 point team

[Max Fowler]

Just now, McCreadie said:

It’s folly of the highest magnitude, to refuse to accept that getting Spurs to a CL final failing to win the league with PSG is a truly monumental achievement.

Akin to putting man on the moon, or the invention of electricity.

I fully agree.

[ROTG]

7 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

invention of electricity.

Is not electricity used to reenergise something that has flatlined?

[Dwmh]

2 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

It’s folly of the highest magnitude, to refuse to accept that getting Spurs to a CL final is a truly monumental achievement.

Akin to putting man on the moon, or the invention of electricity.

Certainly a highlight in an uncertain career.
Not as monmental though as the guy that won La Liga in 2021 with Lille!  And with PSG once they were done with Poch.
Poch won La Liga in 2022 with 86 points inn 38 games with a little help from Mbappe.  And Neymar.  And some little guy called Messi.

[Blue Moon]

4 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

If anyone can tell me what Poch has done in his career that would suggest he will be a big loss when goes, I'd love to hear it.

London Football Awards Manager of the Year: 2018–19?

[asvaberg]

6 minutes ago, Blue Moon said:

London Football Awards Manager of the Year: 2018–19?

1 French top league title (PSG)

1 French cup (PSG)

1 French "community shield" (PSG)

2 times PL manager of the month

[Mark Kelly]

1 hour ago, Blue Moon said:

London Football Awards Manager of the Year: 2018–19?

The media certainly loved him, that's for sure 

 

[Max Fowler]

The countdown continues (T- a few weeks maximum)

Graham Potterchino: 

“If results aren’t good enough, which they aren’t, you can’t rely on support forever. My job is to keep going.” (Feb 2023)

Mauricio Bottletino:

 

[Max Fowler]

4 hours ago, asvaberg said:

1 French top league title (PSG)

1 French cup (PSG)

1 French "community shield" (PSG)

2 times PL manager of the month

There's nothing there to be scared about letting go is there. 

People need to get out of denial mode. Poch is already done, we've seen this movie before.

[xceleryx]

7 hours ago, Dwmh said:

Certainly a highlight in an uncertain career.
Not as monmental though as the guy that won La Liga in 2021 with Lille!  And with PSG once they were done with Poch.
Poch won La Liga in 2022 with 86 points inn 38 games with a little help from Mbappe.  And Neymar.  And some little guy called Messi.

Winning La Liga with Lille is certainly monumental, given Lille are French and play in Ligue 1. 😄

[Sciatika]

That's the kind of manager we need. We might win the SPL.😀

[My Blood Is Blue]

20 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

It’s not about “elite” at this stage. It’s about getting someone promising who isn’t Poch.

I don’t want anyone ‘promising’, that’s the last thing I want. Stable, experienced and proven is what I’m after.

[My Blood Is Blue]

9 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

There's nothing there to be scared about letting go is there. 

People need to get out of denial mode. Poch is already done, we've seen this movie before.

Who would you get in then? You’ve said De Zerbi, he has 1 Ukrainian Cup to his name, so that list is even worse than Poch.

De Zerbi just feels like the flavour of the month at the moment, but he’s never been tested under the kind of pressure he’d be under here and that’s not to say he won’t one day move on to the next level in managerial terms, but we just can’t be taking that kind of risk at the moment.

I’m not thrilled with Poch and I wouldn’t be upset if he went, but I really don’t see too many if any other options at the moment, that would want to come here.

If Poch goes, we need a very safe and experienced manager to come in to just try and settle the ship somewhat to allow us to actually begin to progress and build, IMO.

[east lower]

2 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

Who would you get in then? You’ve said De Zerbi, he has 1 Ukrainian Cup to his name, so that list is even worse than Poch.

De Zerbi just feels like the flavour of the month at the moment, but he’s never been tested under the kind of pressure he’d be under here and that’s not to say he won’t one day move on to the next level in managerial terms, but we just can’t be taking that kind of risk at the moment.

I’m not thrilled with Poch and I wouldn’t be upset if he went, but I really don’t see too many if any other options at the moment, that would want to come here.

If Poch goes, we need a very safe and experienced manager to come in to just try and settle the ship somewhat to allow us to actually begin to progress and build, IMO.

On De Zerbi - chap seems a rather emotional sort, prone to the mouth working with the brain  catching up a short while later. Not unintentionally, just a live-wire. Bit like Tuchel was. 

Imagine him (RDZ) trying to play politics with our owners - disaster in waiting. 

We need a proven winner to start getting that mentality into the players and the start is to win a few games, get us solid and then the coach himself starts to understand his players attributes and moulds the way he wants to play along with the tools he got, at the same time informing the club of any required new additions and ones he wants out. If he’s not got that last authority, he’s done.

The current coach is now just holding the position, he’s almost done. If the management team above him had in their view a better and available option he’d be toast. 

That way isn’t my way, if they’re not good enough, do the deed as soon as soon as possible. 
 

To be fair the positive effects of interim managers seem to be lessening over time. However, letting the squad fester is not always a good thing. If our squad respects the experience of the likes of Tiago Silva and someone like JT - I’d go for them until a suitable candidate is found and secured. Don’t put a timeframe on the appointment.

 

[Bison]

 

Think the sporting directors should shoulder a lot of the blame.