Mark Kelly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Miguelito07 said: Anyone know why Poch didnt play Chalobah and Silva? Dunno. It may be because he's a fucking idiot . Others would say not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 27 minutes ago, chiswickblue said: Do we actually do payoffs? I thought we had to keep paying them their salary until they take a new job. Hence why the likes of Conte and Potter take their time before jumping into something else. I don't know why we'd have to pay someone for a 4 year contract in full if we sack them after 1 year and they jump straight into another job. Same contracts that the players have - they get their contracts paid up in full when transferred. The only way that doesn’t happen is when the player submits a transfer request - and that’s why players rarely submit a formal transfer request. Costs them millions in lost payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Conflicting stuff coming out of Cobham but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Box of Tricks Posted April 24 Popular Post Share Posted April 24 21 minutes ago, Miguelito07 said: Anyone know why Poch didnt play Chalobah and Silva? Dropping Chalobah and Silva was bad enough, but I also thought Gallagher and Caicedo looked very good in the middle together against Everton - and then that was ripped apart the very next game too. When Conte made that three at the back change against Arsenal in early 16/17, he knew straight away that he'd found a formula. Whereas not only is Pochettino unable to do it by design, he's now shown himself to be incapable of recognising when he's stumbled on something good. That's a bad, bad combination. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 8 minutes ago, Ham said: Conflicting stuff coming out of Cobham but..... It would be foolish to sack him now no? BUT then the board are foolish so who knows?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Thiago97 said: The other elephant in the room on changing the manager, we cannot afford another sideways or backwards step. It has to be a 100% positive step forward and improvement. Who is available out there to achieve this? If anyone says De Zerbi I will lose my shit! I look around right now and I keep coming back to one obvious candidate right now. I would not have said this 12 months back, but with more time and experience under his belt and regardless of what happens to Burnley this season, its hard not to be impressed how Kompany handles himself. I like the cut of his jib. The fact he has been a recent elite level player is very much a positive in my view. He comes across very articulate and intelligent, he is measured and controlled and consistent is how he speaks and his philosophy of how he wants the game to be played. He showed great leadership as a player and that looks like it will continue as a manager. Previously, I would have been concerned that elite level experienced players might not accept him. However, the facts are we don't have any elite level experienced players anymore, so I don't see that being an issue here right now. He looks like he will move onto better things in the near future. He is the only obvious known candidate who is in a much lesser job and who we might be able to build a positive future around. We are still attractive to manage to some degree, but nowhere near as attractive as we were 3 years back, and this limits our options more than it has at any point in the last 15 years. Revealed: Vincent Kompany called referee Darren England a 'f***ing cheat' multiple times in furious tirade at official after he gave Chelsea a penalty against Burnley in 2-2 draw last month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asvaberg Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Haha, actually funny in a tragic way: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, asvaberg said: Haha, actually funny in a tragic way: He’s probably right given how those two cretins Winstanley and Lawrence have been. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Talks often about bravery but is a coward in footballing terms always more worried about what other teams can do to us than what we can do to them and picks the personnel accordingly , Gusto switched to left back against Palace , Gallagher switched to left wing to stop Kyle bloody Walker. Worse second half than first whenever he speaks to them at any length they get worse not better Substitutions often actively worsening the side / outcome I'm really going off him Sigh...Mark back on the fence again!😉Back to being a voice in the wilderness without his support..or me for him!🤣 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 hours ago, Miguelito07 said: Anyone know why Poch didnt play Chalobah and Silva? It think you meant why Poch ?..AS IN MANY WAYS...why did he? (ANYTHING) and just WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, asvaberg said: Haha, actually funny in a tragic way: It does, but I'd actually prefer we sign players off the back of watching YouTube clips than running data through a fecking computer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Must be nice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Kelly Posted April 25 Popular Post Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, Bison said: Must be nice. It's amazing how a decent coach can sort things out so quickly isn't it? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 47 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: It's amazing how a decent coach can sort things out so quickly isn't it? Given the difference we all saw Tuchel make to what was generally a squad that were hard to motivate and willing to down tools at any time, I can't fathom how some of our fans still don't think a new Coach could completely change the feeling and performance level of this group. They're not all going to be world-beaters, fine. But there's more than enough there (especially when more of them are fit) to be a much, much better side than we are. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 15 minutes ago, Bert19 said: Given the difference we all saw Tuchel make to what was generally a squad that were hard to motivate and willing to down tools at any time, I can't fathom how some of our fans still don't think a new Coach could completely change the feeling and performance level of this group. They're not all going to be world-beaters, fine. But there's more than enough there (especially when more of them are fit) to be a much, much better side than we are. Three crap sides, Palace, Wolves, Bournemouth have all almost immediately been improved by hiring a proper coach with a handle on what the side needs to progress. Pochettino has been here all season, we score more goals now if I'm being charitable but that's it, in every other metric we have gone backwards. I'm just incredulous that some people cannot grasp the situation not in a nasty way just in pure bafflement it's so glaringly obvious. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: It's amazing how a decent coach can sort things out so quickly isn't it? Emery and Villa still flying. Embarrassing really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Three crap sides, Palace, Wolves, Bournemouth have all almost immediately been improved by hiring a proper coach with a handle on what the side needs to progress. Pochettino has been here all season, we score more goals now if I'm being charitable but that's it, in every other metric we have gone backwards. I'm just incredulous that some people cannot grasp the situation not in a nasty way just in pure bafflement it's so glaringly obvious. All three sides are very similar too in the way the set up and I don't mean shape or formations. All three of them are clearly very well drilled, compact, work hard and have players playing in their best positions. It's amazing what can be achieved with a coach that gets the basics right, works hard on the training ground and sends out a balanced, well organised team on a match day. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: It's amazing how a decent coach can sort things out so quickly isn't it? Took him about 4-6 weeks. Not too shabby at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Three crap sides, Palace, Wolves, Bournemouth have all almost immediately been improved by hiring a proper coach with a handle on what the side needs to progress. Pochettino has been here all season, we score more goals now if I'm being charitable but that's it, in every other metric we have gone backwards. I'm just incredulous that some people cannot grasp the situation not in a nasty way just in pure bafflement it's so glaringly obvious. All have midfielders I'd swap two of ours for. Edited April 25 by east lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, martin1905 said: All three sides are very similar too in the way the set up and I don't mean shape or formations. All three of them are clearly very well drilled, compact, work hard and have players playing in their best positions. It's amazing what can be achieved with a coach that gets the basics right, works hard on the training ground and sends out a balanced, well organised team on a match day. It still escapes me why he chose not to build the team from the back to the front. How do you take a young group like this and just ignore shape, structure, organisation all season? It's completely amateur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Bert19 said: I can't fathom how some of our fans still don't think a new Coach could completely change the feeling and performance level of this group. A new coach, sure. Any new coach we could get, really doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, thevelourfog said: A new coach, sure. Any new coach we could get, really doubt it. Well no , not "any" coach But most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago97 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Three crap sides, Palace, Wolves, Bournemouth have all almost immediately been improved by hiring a proper coach with a handle on what the side needs to progress. Pochettino has been here all season, we score more goals now if I'm being charitable but that's it, in every other metric we have gone backwards. I'm just incredulous that some people cannot grasp the situation not in a nasty way just in pure bafflement it's so glaringly obvious. Still relatively small snapshots of time though in fairness. There has been plenty of managers that have a positive impact in a short period of time, but it can also fall apart just as quickly (Patrick Viera at Palace a recent example) 6 months ago many were happy to anoint De Zerbi as the new Pep (29 pts from his last 26 games incidentally). I did highlight this months back that Raiola layed out the blueprint for what to do against Brighton when Bournemouth lost there earlier this season, and currently De Zerbi is finding life a little more difficult when teams don't engage with the press against Brighton. If you don't try and play Basketball with Brighton, its not too difficult to get a decent result. The three managers you name have all done well, but it is still a very short amount of time in the grand scheme of things. Bournemouth had something like 2pts from their first 7-8 games. Wolves have some very decent players, but are still up and down from one week to the next, whilst Glasner been there 5 minutes and just recently got on a positive run of wins. The bit often overlooked here, considering the standings of the clubs involved. You would only expect 1-2 players from Palace, Wolves, Bournemouth to be good enough for Chelsea. The reality is that there are about 6-7 players from across those 3 clubs that actually improve this current Chelsea team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Just now, Mark Kelly said: Well no , not "any" coach But most Not what I'm saying. I can't see many coaches who a) are better than Pochettino and b) don't already have a better job, and even if we found someone better and realistically available, would these clowns employ them given some of the traits of a better coach are exactly what they seem to want to avoid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Not what I'm saying. I can't see many coaches who a) are better than Pochettino and b) don't already have a better job, and even if we found someone better and realistically available, would these clowns employ them given some of the traits of a better coach are exactly what they seem to want to avoid? This is the dichotomy we find ourselves in , given the idiocy of those in charge of the procurement at the club , are there any guarantees they don't just offer the job to Southgate to garner some self gratifying cachet as "the man who landed the ex England manager for Chelsea" . Personally , I think if Pochettino goes so should those two chancers with the laptops who think "Football Manager 2024" is real life. Edited April 25 by Mark Kelly Spelling 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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