martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) Here's a list of the Premier league top scorers without penalties. Watkins 19 Solanke 16 Foden 16 Haaland 16 Bowen 15 Son 14 Salah 12 Palmer 11 Saka 9 Non penalty goals and assists Watkins 31 Son 23 Foden 23 Salah 21 Haaland 21 Bowen 20 Palmer 20 Solanke 19 Saka 18 Minutes per non penalty goal Haaland 136 Watkins 152 Foden 158 Son 172 Bowen 183 Salah 187 Palmer 190 Solanke 190 Saka 297 Minutes per goal contribution (not including penalties) Watkins 93 Palmer 104 Haaland 104 Son 104 Salah 107 Foden 109 Bowen 138 Saka 148 Solanke 159 Edited April 26 by martin1905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 6 minutes ago, martin1905 said: Here's a list of the Premier league top scorers without penalties. Watkins 19 Solanke 16 Foden 16 Haaland 16 Bowen 15 Son 14 Salah 12 Palmer 11 Saka 9 Non penalty goals and assists Watkins 31 Son 23 Foden 23 Salah 21 Haaland 21 Bowen 20 Palmer 20 Solanke 19 Saka 18 Minutes per non penalty goal Haaland 136 Watkins 152 Foden 158 Son 172 Bowen 183 Salah 187 Palmer 190 Solanke 190 Saka 297 Minutes per goal contribution (not including penalties) Watkins 93 Palmer 104 Haaland 104 Son 104 Salah 107 Foden 109 Bowen 138 Saka 148 Solanke 159 Shows what an excellent season Ollie Watkins is having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 57 minutes ago, ROTG said: You are bang on the money about finding another Chelsea midfield player returning those numbers. However It could also be argued, would CP have walked into a Chelsea team in the past two decades. KDB being a perfect example. with that said, one could argue that 20/21 squad of SFL although did not have a individual Midfield player CP numbers the overall team of midfield players combined scored more than the current midfield. One dreads to think the numbers the midfield produce during SFL peek seasons. Bamford was just an example of a one hit wonder, hence CP should measured next season. So why aren't you answering the question about judging some players over two years and others before they even kicked a ball. Your own metric is to give a player, that's doing outrageously well, two years but those that aren't are judged instantly. Not much of an agenda there is there....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Not wishing to get into a statistics argument or with penalties without penalties debate..BUT...FFS....the penalties.. Not the add to your account at 3-0 final nail etc efforts in the main....some real bum clencher ones at crucial moments in games against real opposition....at 21?...... just amazing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, martin1905 said: So why aren't you answering the question about judging some players over two years and others before they even kicked a ball. Your own metric is to give a player, that's doing outrageously well, two years but those that aren't are judged instantly. Not much of an agenda there is there....... unfortunately many of the current squad were brought based on a one year metic from their previous club, hence where the club is right now. However it’s probably easier to blame the coach than admitting the club the club have brought quite a few one hit wonders. Aka duds If CP is the real deal, we can expect a couple of clubs to make an enquiry this summer, similar to Enzo and his six months of fame which enticed TB to spunk £100m on him, yet we are still waiting for him to prove his fee and alleged status in world football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, martin1905 said: Here's a list of the Premier league top scorers without penalties. Watkins 19 Solanke 16 Foden 16 Haaland 16 Bowen 15 Son 14 Salah 12 Palmer 11 Saka 9 Non penalty goals and assists Watkins 31 Son 23 Foden 23 Salah 21 Haaland 21 Bowen 20 Palmer 20 Solanke 19 Saka 18 Minutes per non penalty goal Haaland 136 Watkins 152 Foden 158 Son 172 Bowen 183 Salah 187 Palmer 190 Solanke 190 Saka 297 Minutes per goal contribution (not including penalties) Watkins 93 Palmer 104 Haaland 104 Son 104 Salah 107 Foden 109 Bowen 138 Saka 148 Solanke 159 So, this is actually mind blowing..... If you take all Palmers goals and assists, which literally everyone apart from one poster on here would, Cole Palmer averages a goal every 104 minutes and a goal or assist every 72 minutes. Edited April 26 by martin1905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, ROTG said: unfortunately many of the current squad were brought based on a one year metic from their previous club, hence where the club is right now. However it’s probably easier to blame the coach than admitting the club the club have brought quite a few one hit wonders. Aka duds If CP is the real deal, we can expect a couple of clubs to make an enquiry this summer, similar to Enzo and his six months of fame which enticed TB to spunk £100m on him, yet we are still waiting for him to prove his fee and alleged status in world football. Why don't you answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, Ham said: Shows what an excellent season Ollie Watkins is having. Same could be said for solanke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Come on @ROTG!!!! In your own words Cole Palmer can't be judged on this season yet you have made countless, very early calls on literally our entire squad? Surely if its two years for Palmer it should be two years for all, not instantly discount players that don't live up to expectations and completely downplay those that do. You can't have it both ways.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, ROTG said: Same could be said for solanke. Surely a one season wonder, no? 6 league goals last year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, ROTG said: Same could be said for solanke. So Solanke is having an excellent season, scoring, as a striker, at the exact rate as Cole Palmer who plays as an attacking midfielder. One is having an excellent season, the other is more than likely a one season wonder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, martin1905 said: Why don't you answer the question? I have answered your question. As I said if you believe CP is the best thing since Mothers Pride so be it. One hope he produces the same numbers next season as the team will need them, regardless of the coach. You went OTT pre season with the top 6 or 4 claim which is costing you £2.20 per match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, ROTG said: I have answered your question. You really haven't Just now, ROTG said: . You went OTT pre season with the top 6 or 4 claim which is costing you £2.20 per match. Never once made that claim but you just don't listen do you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, martin1905 said: Come on @ROTG!!!! In your own words Cole Palmer can't be judged on this season yet you have made countless, very early calls on literally our entire squad? Surely if its two years for Palmer it should be two years for all, not instantly discount players that don't live up to expectations and completely downplay those that do. You can't have it both ways.... There is a lot of difference. CP looks a tallent, whereas many of the others had good metic for mid table to lower PL clubs, hence where the club is today. I am happy to take another wager with you now on where the club will be at the end of next season. 70pts team on paper 50pts in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, martin1905 said: Never once made that claim but you just don't listen do you... So you are reneging on our wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 26 minutes ago, ROTG said: So you are reneging on our wager? Our wager was made when Potter was in charge and was that last seasons squad, with a proper manager, would finish in the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 30 minutes ago, ROTG said: There is a lot of difference. CP looks a tallent, whereas many of the others had good metic for mid table to lower PL clubs, hence where the club is today. So why won't you judge Palmer until after next season yet have written off the vast majority of our squad as mid table players after only a matter of months? You'll have to explain to me why some players need two years to be judged yet others you have written off almost instantly. It's all very confusing with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 16 hours ago, martin1905 said: So why won't you judge Palmer until after next season yet have written off the vast majority of our squad as mid table players after only a matter of months? You'll have to explain to me why some players need two years to be judged yet others you have written off almost instantly. It's all very confusing with you. A majority of the duds have already been at the since Jan-23 transfer window or longer and have ample time to prove themselves. Should Poch walk in the summer they are responsible for coach number 3 in 18 month in others coach no 4 in two seasons. As i have said on many occasion its the easy out to blame the coach. When the truth lies in giving two bob players ~100k per week contracts for 8 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 minutes ago, ROTG said: A majority of the duds have already been at the since Jan-23 transfer window or longer and have ample time to prove themselves. Should Poch walk in the summer they are responsible for coach number 3 in 18 month in others coach no 4 in two seasons. As i have said on many occasion its the easy out to blame the coach. When the truth lies in giving two bob players ~100k per week contracts for 8 year Yeah . But you're wrong . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeping Dave Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 20 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Yeah . But you're wrong . Why is he wrong? Our players aren’t what the board thought they were. Maybe they will be, but it’s at least 3 seasons off. But nonetheless, I said it at the beginning of the season - this team will mix great games with really poor ones and it’s bound to keep going. We don’t have a bonafide top player in any position. We are so far off City is downright bloody depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Sleeping Dave said: Why is he wrong? Our players aren’t what the board thought they were. Maybe they will be, but it’s at least 3 seasons off. But nonetheless, I said it at the beginning of the season - this team will mix great games with really poor ones and it’s bound to keep going. We don’t have a bonafide top player in any position. We are so far off City is downright bloody depressing. I keep saying it but in my opinion our fully fit squad and best 11 is right up there with the best. Edited April 27 by Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 minutes ago, ROTG said: A majority of the duds have already been at the since Jan-23 transfer window or longer and have ample time to prove themselves. So it is only Palmer needs to prove himself over two seasons? Jackson? Disasi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I was thinking yesterday about some posts from a few years back. I can remember quite a few people, myself included, saying that we would accept two or three years adrift as the price to pay to bring through some of our young players. I still feel that way, to a degree. I hadn't realised how much top-level clubs rely on experienced players to teach the mentality needed to convert losses into draws and draws into wins. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 21 minutes ago, Sleeping Dave said: Why is he wrong? Our players aren’t what the board thought they were. Maybe they will be, but it’s at least 3 seasons off. But nonetheless, I said it at the beginning of the season - this team will mix great games with really poor ones and it’s bound to keep going. We don’t have a bonafide top player in any position. We are so far off City is downright bloody depressing. He hated them all from day one, he made his mind up from the off, it's a pavlovian response and he will brook no argument. The payers are all to a man capable of more Pochettino is a fraud and has put back their careers for a season at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: Yeah . But you're wrong . table and points accumulation since Jan-23 don't lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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