Ham Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Dwmh said: 1) When you judge managers across seasons the individual wins and points achieved are the only way to go. 2) Is a sprinter that has an Olympic PB of 9.8 winning Silver better than a runner that wins Gold 4 years later with a PB of 10.0? of course he is. 1) No. Trophies are how success is measured outside of Droytown. 2) If you're not the world record holder, your time is irrelevant. Getting a medal is the only other thing that matters in sprinting. Edited January 31 by Ham 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDCW Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Dwmh said: You are then making a very different point. If you are saying that the PL was full of weaker teams when Klop was getting 90 + points than it was 5 10 or 15 years earlier you should make that point explicitly. For my money the PL has just got stronger and stronger and stronger year by year for 30 years. (I certainly hope so given where we are now) Your pathological need to appear cleverer than everyone else, by adopting contrarian positions just makes you look stupid. You may be arrogant enough to assume the rest of us are wrong, but if you look around and think everyone you see is a twat you are the twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I think Klopp is a good manager , certainly not as good as Jose , Pep , Conte , S'Ralex , Wenger but good all the same. Let's check Klopp's Premier league record... 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st*, 3rd, 2nd, 5th *Covid & VAR assisted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCreadie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: *Covid & VAR assisted That year doesn't count. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, Dwmh said: You are then making a very different point. If you are saying that the PL was full of weaker teams when Klop was getting 90 + points than it was 5 10 or 15 years earlier you should make that point explicitly. For my money the PL has just got stronger and stronger and stronger year by year for 30 years. (I certainly hope so given where we are now) No I’m not, I’m responding to what you actually said rather than what you thought you said. You are now introducing a further variable - relative quality of opposition, which is not easy to quantify. But I’d still rather my team had the most cups in the cupboard than the one who scored the most points. Or are you a Spurs supporter in disguise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I'm not against contrarian views, I like contrarian views. But it alwasy amuses me that the most conventional ideas always get the sharpest response. 1 hour ago, Blue Moon said: I think it’s you who is missing the point, Droy. To win against difficult odds in the highly competitive league is infinitely better than strolling a run again collectively crap opposition. The situation with running is totally different, as you (should) well know. 37 minutes ago, Blue Moon said: No I’m not, I’m responding to what you actually said rather than what you thought you said. You are now introducing a further variable - relative quality of opposition, which is not easy to quantify. But I’d still rather my team had the most cups in the cupboard than the one who scored the most points. Or are you a Spurs supporter in disguise? I must have misread the post I replied to then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Dwmh said: I'm not against contrarian views, I like contrarian views. But it alwasy amuses me that the most conventional ideas always get the sharpest response. I must have misread the post I replied to then. conventional adjective based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed. I’m not sure a view that you have that differs from everyone else’s view, is conventional. I’m still presuming you’re on a wind up though, so I’ll leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: conventional adjective based on or in accordance with what is generally done or believed. I’m not sure a view that you have that differs from everyone else’s view, is conventional. I’m still presuming you’re on a wind up though, so I’ll leave it. Which was the better team. Wigan or Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Dwmh said: Which was the better team. Wigan or Ipswich. Based on what you’ve put in front of me and based on the fact I watch little to no minutes of either side and not knowing what the quality levels of the other sides were etc, I would say Wigan, because they managed to finish above everyone else in that league and Ipswich didn’t. Even if I knew all those things I mentioned I still say Wigan. Have you ever noticed that the debates around the greatest PL team have never included runners up and have never been settled by someone saying “well it’s easy, we just order them by total points”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Good point - and I've never heard the Shed signing "We've more points, we've more points, we've more points than you (had last year)". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCreadie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, Blue Moon said: Good point - and I've never heard the Shed signing "We've more points, we've more points, we've more points than you (had last year)". "Second in the league, second in the league who d'ya think is is? Er hopefully someone else" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 18 minutes ago, McCreadie said: "Second in the league, second in the league who d'ya think is is? Er hopefully someone else" Wish we could sing that now - 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCreadie Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, east lower said: Wish we could sing that now - 😉 There's first and there's hmm... not first. Unless you're Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, McCreadie said: There's first and there's hmm... not first. Unless you're Arsenal. Whereas, I don’t disagree with who’s remembered. These days the L’Arse 2nd, 3rd & 4th ‘Trophies’ are quite valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, Dwmh said: Which was the better team. Wigan or Ipswich. Which one won a trophy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, Ham said: Which one won a trophy? is avoiding the question. So why the need to distract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, Dwmh said: is avoiding the question. So why the need to distract? Ok. Plymouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flllerywhereru2 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Must say Paul tierneys audition for the Klopp Goodbye documentary was most impressive.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, flllerywhereru2 said: Must say Paul tierneys audition for the Klopp Goodbye documentary was most impressive.... He's certainly back on the Christmas card list now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 STOP IT ALL OF YOU...PLEASE....talk of this being important and that being more important....the game on the day is what is important ...did Chelsea win?..Did Chelsea lose/draw?....the long term season results come second to ON THE DAY...I am down because of the result yesterday...no "well it was at Anfiled" or "Should still be safe this season"...DOWN DOWN, DOWN!😶🌫️ @CarefreeMuratcan...tough football love will keep your beautiful little girl safe!...it's in your hands!🥷 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 30/01/2024 at 13:00, Dwmh said: Getting 90 + points in a season is an incredible performance. He has done that 3 times. Pep aside (who had more time and more money) no one comes matches him on big seasons. SAF did it 3 times over many years, Wenger just the once. Yes but its trophies in the cabinet that count, same applies to England and Southgate he continues to fail and this year will be no different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, exiledblue said: Yes but its trophies in the cabinet that count, same applies to England and Southgate he continues to fail and this year will be no different. That count for what? I thought we were discussing whether Klopp is a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Dwmh said: That count for what? I thought we were discussing whether Klopp is a good manager. You maybe but when I commented way back I was discussing his success and success for me is trophies and actually winning something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, exiledblue said: You maybe but when I commented way back I was discussing his success and success for me is trophies and actually winning something Frankly 1 PL and 1 CL is more than enough. that is all we have achieved in the time and 5 or 6 managers and a lot more than Arsenal or Man U or anyone else but City. Taking City close to the PL twice more is more than anyone else has done either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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