Tottenham Hotspur 1 Chelsea 4

[hallgalley]

Better than this against leeds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/39388.stm

[xceleryx]

7 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

It just feels like he doesn't even really try to run past people. He runs into them and gives the foul away so often.

I wanna just see him boot it down the line and really show off his pace - it feels like he's holding back sometimes.

I actually think his ball striking is better than his close control which needs a bit of work.

Not always an easy thing to do in fairness, particularly the higher up the pitch you go. When he does have space in behind and requires a ball in behind we're often guilty of ignoring the situation, or not getting the pass right altogether.

 

He's also just coming back from a knock, so I don't know how much impact that's had on maybe really giving it 100%. 

That said, and I've said this before, he's far better starting and looks a lot more comfortable doing so. While I like Palmer and was a big advocate for his signing, the negative of him on the right is his lack of pace and always having to turn back or cut inside. Would be nice having speed in both wide areas that can stretch play, which for me benefits those through the middle that little bit more.

[Blue Kratos]

25 minutes ago, hallgalley said:

Better than this against leeds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/39388.stm

Bloody hell I forgot about that game.

[chara]

Just watched the second half at ease,,,having read so much crap elsewhere I expected to see Spurs as a cross between St George, Mother Teresa and Roy of the Rovers.....they had only themselves to blame for being down to 9..and desperate efforts by Spurs to level up the numbers were a disgrace. Chelsea were not as bad as made out to be and in fairness to Spurs..hard..they were trying very hard but if only for the circumstances in this confrontation the new flavour of the moment  media coach seemed to have had feet of clay,,,line up along the halfway line and let Chelsea keep knocking the ball through....lot of moans but the sheer amount of times they managed it had to get the final result...and the Spurs keeper kept them in the game particularily through one period of play.

No down for me...having watched Chelsea drop points foolishly and unluckily I'll take a humiliating..in the circumstances defeat of Spurs...let their fans brag about how brave they were and how proud they are..I'll take 4-1 and three points with a finger up!

[Dwmh]

Spurs have a back 7.  We have 4 players off side.
Cucurella the only one with any common sense and running towards the offside line from his own half.

Spurs so vulnerable, us so blunt.

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Dwmh

[Michael Tucker]

25 minutes ago, chara said:

No down for me...having watched Chelsea drop points foolishly and unluckily I'll take a humiliating..in the circumstances defeat of Spurs...let their fans brag about how brave they were and how proud they are..I'll take 4-1 and three points with a finger up!

Me too. 

[Ham]

Chelsea fan in the home end with balls of steel 💙

 

 

[Backbiter]

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That is the football we want. I really like the way we played today. We were competitive. It was an amazing game. It was difficult for us to control the game, too many mistakes in possession. The defensive line was so high and we didn’t have the patience to find the right ball. 

Poch really liked the fact we made too many mistakes in possession and didn't have the patience to find the right ball?

I really liked the fact we won 4-1 but didn't enjoy us being sloppy and unintelligent when we had a huge numerical advantage.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Backbiter

[kev61]

14 hours ago, Dwmh said:

While you remind me of a defence solicitor who knows everything about justice but nothing about the law and even less about the judge.  There is only one person's world in which you are useful.

Well as a wise person said - 'I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy'.

[Floyd25]

1 hour ago, hallgalley said:

Better than this against leeds

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/39388.stm

First half of that game was basically a punch up…good times.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Floyd25

[NFAS]

2 hours ago, Floyd25 said:

First half of that game was basically a punch up…good times.

Interesting read up there. The writer comments about arsenals title challenge withering but if memory serves didn’t they win the title that season?

[SideshowLuiz]

6 hours ago, Sleeping Dave said:

Hat trick. Sure, against 9  but still.  

I'll hold my hands up, he took his goals well. My issue with him, however, isn't these 90% probability goals, it's the lower probability ones - he just doesn't convert enough of them. Examples from \last night are the easy header right in front of goal, the 2 missed chances set up by Mudryk.

Might just be an unlucky run, but he needs to score more of these to instill confidence in everyone (including himself). Hope he uses this hat trick to go on a streak!

[Bison]

6 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

Can anyone explain how Mudryk can consistently play so badly coming off the bench?

I am trying to be positive - happy for Poch and the lads - but Mudryk is so frustrating!!!

It's because he is genuinely one of the dumbest players we have ever seen play the game. If you watch any youth football you see youngsters with far better game understanding and how to utilise their abilities.

[SideshowLuiz]

What an absolutely bonkers game. We've done really well against the better teams so far - could've won at Liverpool, should've won at Arsenal and now we've won at Spurs. 

I don't think anyone gave us much of a chance against Spurs tonight but we got a fantastic 3 points - hope the same happens against City!

[kev61]

Apart from the fact we won and it was Spurs, I get scant pleasure.

We played against team that were down to 9 men for almost half the game.How can you judge a performance under those circumstances?

 

 

[Floyd25]

1 hour ago, NFAS said:

The writer comments about arsenals title challenge withering but if memory serves didn’t they win the title that season?

Yep they won it by one point, some really good moments for us as well that season. 

[SideshowLuiz]

I can't understand the praise for Spurs' high line - it was suicidal football after going down to 9 men. Most of the praise has stemmed from how close Spurs came to equalising despite being down to 9 (Dier's offside goal, Son's chance at 2-1), but that was more down to our inability and poor game management.

A better team than us would have destroyed them and put the game to bed much earlier than we did; surely it would have been described as naive, at best? 

 

Edited November 7, 2023 by SideshowLuiz

[kev61]

50 minutes ago, Bison said:

It's because he is genuinely one of the dumbest players we have ever seen play the game. If you watch any youth football you see youngsters with far better game understanding and how to utilise their abilities.

I reckon he is bamboozled  by tactics.He is a young lad that needs direction.

Maybe as a player like Sterling he should play right wing like robben as opposed to left wing like Sterling.

They are both very good at cutting inside like robben to score goals with their natural foot.

[My Blood Is Blue]

So much negativity on here after a 4-1 away against an unbeaten Spurs side… come on guys, just enjoy the win!

I was getting frustrated with our struggles to break 9 men down, but we did and once we did, we got a couple more as well! Ultimately, it’s a great result.

Spurs went all Spursy and completely imploded in spectacular style, even though we’re the far less experienced side. It’s hilarious! Then they continued to play a suicidal high line…. Bonkers.

Jackson hat trick, Palmer continuing to be our best player and no brain farts from the keeper… happy days!

Perfect performance? No. Win against Spurs away? Yes. Very happy!

The first 10/15 mins were horrific though, they came flying out and played at a pace we just could not live with and had it stayed like that, would have been a very long night, however, after the first red that wasn’t given, it seemed to wake us up and we started to get back into the game and probably deserved to draw level.

We’ll never know how it would have finished 11v11, but that isn’t for us to worry about.

[Bison]

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

I reckon he is bamboozled  by tactics.He is a young lad that needs direction.

Maybe as a player like Sterling he should play right wing like robben as opposed to left wing like Sterling.

They are both very good at cutting inside like robben to score goals with their natural foot.

Looks like he's bamboozled by a lot of things. It doesn't look like there's much going on upstairs based on his actions on the pitch and some of the stuff he's done off the pitch (taking unflattering picture of strangers in the gym and sharing on social media for instance).

He looks exactly the same as he did for most of last season. For every 10 actions you're lucky to get more than one positive contribution. 9/10 he is running the ball out of play, running into a defender, first touch leading him into a 50-50 tackle which he invariably loses and you can go on.

He is as bad as it gets at this level. 

[kev61]

9 minutes ago, Bison said:

Looks like he's bamboozled by a lot of things. It doesn't look like there's much going on upstairs based on his actions on the pitch and some of the stuff he's done off the pitch (taking unflattering picture of strangers in the gym and sharing on social media for instance).

He looks exactly the same as he did for most of last season. For every 10 actions you're lucky to get more than one positive contribution. 9/10 he is running the ball out of play, running into a defender, first touch leading him into a 50-50 tackle which he invariably loses and you can go on.

He is as bad as it gets at this level. 

I see what you mean and you are right of course.I try to see any positive in a player.

[Sciatika]

42 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

So much negativity on here after a 4-1 away against an unbeaten Spurs side… come on guys, just enjoy the win!

This

[SideshowLuiz]

21 minutes ago, Bison said:

Looks like he's bamboozled by a lot of things. It doesn't look like there's much going on upstairs based on his actions on the pitch and some of the stuff he's done off the pitch (taking unflattering picture of strangers in the gym and sharing on social media for instance).

He looks exactly the same as he did for most of last season. For every 10 actions you're lucky to get more than one positive contribution. 9/10 he is running the ball out of play, running into a defender, first touch leading him into a 50-50 tackle which he invariably loses and you can go on.

He is as bad as it gets at this level. 

I completely get where you're coming from, and I said the same thing about him a month ago. However, he's had a lot more of those positive contributions this season; he'd have a few more assists to his name if our squad had more productive finishers.

Worth remembering he's only played 400 minutes of football this season (around 4.5 games), and scored 2 and won a pen against Arsenal. In addition to those chances he's creating, that's satisfactory output for me to outweigh the negatives.

Edited November 7, 2023 by SideshowLuiz

[kev61]

2 minutes ago, Sciatika said:

This

It was a win against 9 men .Nothing to be lauded....unless you grasp at straws.

[Sciatika]

I like winning however it comes. Some people on here seem to prefer us to lose so they can grasp anything that validates their opinions.