Newcastle United 4 Chelsea 1

[kev61]

17 minutes ago, Bison said:

 

Cucurella was left badly isolated all game by Sterling. I'm not his biggest fan (and he was at fault for playing everybody on side for Isak's first goal) but he received zero support from Sterling yesterday. No defender could cope with being overloaded like that. 

I see what your saying.Some would say if Sterling was having to track back he wouldn't be the same goal threat.

In all honesty I didn't see Cucurella over run  - his positional sense is atrocious - he was ball watching all game and was sucked into a central position and leaving players out wide that if Newcastle exploited it could have been a heavier defeat.

He is another player that is a squad player at best.Watch him next game(if you're interested)he is like Celestine Babayaro - he goes AWOL from the area of the pitch that he is supposed to cover.

It is Poch's job to see it.It is also Poch's job to see Les was not involved in any way from the beginning.His time is up I'm afraid.Today was the last straw for Poch.

[thevelourfog]

4 hours ago, Ham said:

We have the funniest fanbase.

Entirely happy with the ownership, squad and management one week, sell the club, replace half the team and sack the coach the next. 

Lots of supporters are reactionary, and many make it known on the internet. Really, though, it's just that there are lots of people with different opinions.

Labouring to a win over 9 men certainly did nothing to change my view of these owners and our prospects under them. They've done us in as a top club. 

[ROTG]

23 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Lots of supporters are reactionary, and many make it known on the internet. Really, though, it's just that there are lots of people with different opinions.

Labouring to a win over 9 men certainly did nothing to change my view of these owners and our prospects under them. They've done us in as a top club. 

One can only hope they leave the academy alone to give the club a chance of developing HG again. 
That said if my son had a choice I can’t see Chelsea being the first choice anymore. 

[ROTG]

32 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Lots of supporters are reactionary, and many make it known on the internet. Really, though, it's just that there are lots of people with different opinions.

Labouring to a win over 9 men certainly did nothing to change my view of these owners and our prospects under them. They've done us in as a top club. 

You are spot on. 
The real world is who would now offer over £100m for the likes of Fernandez? 

[kev61]

30 minutes ago, ROTG said:

 Because had the coach been given a squad that is fitting for a club like Chelsea rather than a Brighton/Southampton squad, then he would have had no reason to suggest the height of the bar. 
 

As RJ said both the dippers and spuds are in rebuild and look where they are with rebuild and recruitment. 

So are you saying  Poch had nothing to do with recruitment?.I reckon Klopp and Pep were given a free rein to mould a team.

Yes indeed look what happened to liverpool when I said we were in the same position.Liverpool turned things around and are now snapping at Cities heels.

We,on the other hand are sinking into obscurity after paying millions for players that we never heard of with a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Edited November 26, 2023 by kev61

[kev61]

4 minutes ago, ROTG said:

You are spot on. 
The real world is who would now offer over £100m for the likes of Fernandez? 

You'r fast becoming the master of hindsight.Do you preach to your flock that you really don't have a clue like the rest of us?

[Chelsea_Matt]

7 hours ago, CarefreeMuratcan said:

We could definitely sneak 5th. 

Newcastle is a tough place to go. They thrashed PSG last month. 

No chance bro. 😞🙈😬

[Chelsea_Matt]

There’s just no Chelsea anymore at Chelsea. No identity, save for Reecey and Conor really.

We did need changes, but why not do it over 12-18 months? Financially it would have made much more sense and we may not have had to offer stupid 8 year contracts. 

I’ll not tire of saying it - Marina and or Cech should have been persuaded to stay another year. 
Either way we are where we are and there’s no going back after a billion spent. We can only hope we improve. That includes Poch, and I do think he’s not to be judged yet. I’ll be positive - I think he’ll do ok. 

[Max Fowler]

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

So are you saying  Poch had nothing to do with recruitment?.I reckon Klopp and Pep were given a free rein to mould a team.

Supposedly Poch had very little say in recruitment so far and will have more moving forward.

[ROTG]

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

So are you saying  Poch had nothing to do with recruitment?.I reckon Klopp and Pep were given a free rein to mould a team.

Yes indeed look what happened to liverpool when I said we were in the same position.Liverpool turned things around and are now snapping at Cities heels.

We,on the other hand are sinking into obscurity after paying millions for players that we never heard of with a manager that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Sorry Kev. 
specsaver time

Because had the coach been given a squad that is not fitting for a club like Chelsea 

[kev61]

1 minute ago, Max Fowler said:

Supposedly Poch had very little say in recruitment so far and will have more moving forward.

How will he have more say in recruitment moving forward when the team is going backwards? .

[ROTG]

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

You'r fast becoming the master of hindsight.Do you preach to your flock that you really don't have a clue like the rest of us?

The flock are always aware what’s coming from above and beyond, unlike the supporters of Chelsea FC under the current regime. 

[ROTG]

2 minutes ago, kev61 said:

How will he have more say in recruitment moving forward when the team is going backwards? .

Depends on whether Clearlake recognise the clowns they have  employ as the football recruitment specialists. 

[Max Fowler]

Again I think there's a disconnect between expectations and reality at our club.
We regularly read that the owners expect us to finish in the CL places this season and after a performance like yesterday - laugh. 

Those who are still optimistic about these owners, I think, are being patient about whether we finish in the top five or not.
But do the owners really expect and need us to finish in the top five? Are all our financial plans based on that?

There must be some mitigation plans, but I still think they left us well short if we wanted to guarantee finishing top five.
I don't mind finishing 8th this season, but will we be screwed if that happens? If so, for me this is on the owners not Poch.

We have an experienced squad, a weak squad, we don't have nearly enough quality up front. 
Hopefully Nkunku will improve us on all those fronts but I have little sympathy that he has been the only missing link.

Those who were blaming our woes on the likes of Reece being out will feel badly let down by his leadership yesterday.
Let's be honest, neither Reecey or Chilly are true leaders. Gallagher might be. We need more passion and bite.

Reecey and Chilly are simply two senior players with quality. Giving them the captaincy seems silly in hindsight.
Do our owners recognise we need more of the tough stuff to succeed? I hope that is built into their data models.

[Max Fowler]

5 minutes ago, kev61 said:

How will he have more say in recruitment moving forward when the team is going backwards? .

We're not worse than last season Kev. Heading in the right direction, perhaps too slowly.

[kev61]

6 minutes ago, ROTG said:

Sorry Kev. 
specsaver time

Because had the coach been given a squad that is not fitting for a club like Chelsea 

Forget what he has been given.I can factor in that.He is  making a pigs ear of what he has.Don't you see that musky?

[Holymoly]

6 hours ago, Ham said:

We have the funniest fanbase.

Entirely happy with the ownership, squad and management one week, sell the club, replace half the team and sack the coach the next. 

 

 

We're no different from any other club if you ask me. When HM Govt decided to screw us over everyone here was saying that we would need 5 years or so to recover, that it was the opportunity to enact the root and branch makeover the squad had needed for five years. When the clearout was done and we saw its effect in an even more inconsistent result on the pitch I reckon we lasted about three games before some were calling for Boehly's head on a stick.

Whether or not we would be here if Tuchel hadn't suffered his mini mental breakdown and forced the board to sack him due to his actions we will never know. I'm pretty sure we would still be outside the top four however the continuity he would have provided may have helped some players to develop a bit more of a back bone.

I see Pochettino as a bit of a cross between Tuchel and Potter, some big ideas but little idea of how to go about it. He seems insistent on trying to jam square blocks into round holes in order to conform to his plan such as it is. I think his only chance of a saving grace will be if one or two of the players metamorphose into outstanding world beaters and drag the rest with them, although at the moment that seems unlikely.

If we end the season where we are at the moment with little or no evidence of any development I can see the board pulling the plug on the manager sooner rather than later. All that said I don't see another coach out there that has the neccessary toolkit to work their magic on this squad aside from Pep and that isn't going to happen.

Overall I tend to avoid getting too hyped by the occasional good performance now as I know that eventually we will revert to type. Ten years ago it was idiotic to throw your toys out of the pram after a poor performance as we were a club where "type" was top 4 and reverting to it was inevitable. We are no longer that club and we have to accept our mediocrity.

[kev61]

6 minutes ago, ROTG said:

Depends on whether Clearlake recognise the clowns they have  employ as the football recruitment specialists. 

I'm talking about what we have NOW and what a coach can do with what he has got.Poch is making no difference to a team that has been struggling for a long time.

What do we do - spend another fortune on players or give a new manager a chance?.The cheapest and sensible  thing to do is get rid of the manager.

[Max Fowler]

7 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

Whether or not we would be here if Tuchel hadn't suffered his mini mental breakdown and forced the board to sack him due to his actions we will never know. I'm pretty sure we would still be outside the top four however the continuity he would have provided may have helped some players to develop a bit more of a back bone.

No evidence he had a breakdown Moly. One of the most biased, negative paragraphs I have ever read against one of our very best managers and still one of the best three managers in the world.

I agree with you backing the fans though. Our fans are spoilt because we expect big things and won't be told otherwise! Better than a disengaged fanbase resigned to being in the football wilderness.

[Max Fowler]

1 minute ago, kev61 said:

I'm talking about what we have NOW and what a coach can do with what he has got.Poch is making no difference to a team that has been struggling for a long time.

What do we do - spend another fortune on players or give a new manager a chance?.The cheapest and sensible  thing to do is get rid of the manager.

I don't think many other managers would be getting much more out of the squad TBH!

[Floyd25]

13 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

We're not worse than last season Kev. Heading in the right direction, perhaps too slowly.

There is no proof that we are, two decent performances and some were acting like we were back, but nothing suggests that we can play well consistently enough to achieve much of anything. Eventually patience will wear thin for everyone and these owners are going to have to swallow their pride and start signing some experience, unless prevented by charges, FFP etc…

[ROTG]

12 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

We're not worse than last season Kev. Heading in the right direction, perhaps too slowly.

The squad was far stronger last season before the January epiphany by the recruitment dept and the hiring of a nobody coach. 
let’s put it like this Poch was available when TT got his marching orders. 
 

[ROTG]

3 minutes ago, kev61 said:

I'm talking about what we have NOW

What we have now is a mid to lower table squad, hopefully poch can get the team to meet his points level when he managed Southampton. Anything lower than you can questions poch appointment as the head coach. 

[kev61]

15 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

We're not worse than last season Kev. Heading in the right direction, perhaps too slowly.

It's a matter of opinion of whether we are going in the right direction.I don't see any signs of stability in the way we play...up and down like a fiddlers elbow.

What I see is a bunch of players that have no direction or discipline...expensive individuals.

[Max Fowler]

8 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

There is no proof that we are, two decent performances and some were acting like we were back, but nothing suggests that we can play well consistently enough to achieve much of anything. Eventually patience will wear thin for everyone and these owners are going to have to swallow their pride and start signing some experience, unless prevented by charges, FFP etc…

Don't get me wrong, there's not enough in it, but I do think we are a bit better.

After the start I would have agreed with you but coming through this tough period we actually have some decent results. Again, we obviously have to translate this against low block teams coming up or Poch might be in trouble.

I still think Nkunku is about to have a big impact on the team when he is back.