Chelsea Sack Graham Potter

[xceleryx]

7 hours ago, Holymoly said:

I think the other factor is what was said by Frank Lebeouf the other day and that I linked somewhere here previously. Apart from the club captain there are no leaders at the club. That even includes Thiago Silva who leads by example but who is quiet in the changing room. We need to start thinking about signing players with character as well as skill. If they have a banjo that is a bonus.

This is something I've spoken about before, especially going back a couple of years ago now when you could see this transpiring once we moved on from players like Terry, Luiz, Cahill and Fabregas. Rudiger sort of grew into that role under Tuchel, we had Jorginho and Thiago Silva in the last few years but outside of that the pickings remain slim. With Rudiger and Jorginho now gone, Azpilicueta clearly on his last legs and Thiago Silva not too far behind despite his form at present, I struggle to see who steps up into those leadership positions from the current group. 

Early on it looked like maybe Mount or Reece James may be able to help fill some of that void but as time has gone on I've got reservations about either truly being the right fit for such positions.

If we're not going to have a big personality as manager, then having some harder nosed figures that can lead a group of players forward under pressure or when things aren't going well is crucial. 

[Michael Tucker]

47 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

If we're not going to have a big personality as manager, then having some harder nosed figures that can lead a group of players forward under pressure or when things aren't going well is crucial. 

The next question is: where do we find them?

[xceleryx]

6 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

The next question is: where do we find them?

I don't get paid enough to answer that one I'm afraid. 

[kev61]

2 hours ago, Michael Tucker said:

The next question is: where do we find them?

The billion dollar question michael.I think we let a top class manager go(Tuchel)because of a regime that has thrown the baby out with the bath water.

Our results were declining for sure under Tuchel,but imo it was a mixture of injuries and non-arsed players that was the problem.

We have a clean slate and new owners.I think Tuchel would have got rid of the deadwood given time,and then we could have moved on.

What we have now is a coach that could be the best thing since sliced bread but will never be listened to.

An experiment  of a manager will never work.These multi-million players will do what they want whether a manager likes it or not.

I would love to see Terry and Lampard take over...good craic and would command respect without an emotional degree between them!.

[kev61]

2 hours ago, xceleryx said:

I don't get paid enough to answer that one I'm afraid. 

Obviously tongue in cheek?...no?

[kev61]

7 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

I think this has been a problem for a while. I have to say today I felt sorry for him. I feel like he was desperately trying to say something to appease the fans having realised how make or break it has become. I hated the excuses as well though. Blaming this on pre-season is ludicrous.

Ultimately this should end sooner rather than later because Potter is a good guy and a really good coach. Noone wants to see him squirm like that and feel horrible. But this is Boehly's doing because he should be out of the door already.

Yep, I remember weeping uncontrollably when I realised Potter might be sacked.

Where will he go?.The soup kitchens are no longer available.He might have retire to a yacht in the Mediterranean!.

[asvaberg]

This is NOT acceptable. We can be angry and frustrated  on players and manager on results and skills, but NEVER threaten anyone, NEVER!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64766580

Edited February 25, 2023 by asvaberg

[My Blood Is Blue]

2 hours ago, asvaberg said:

This is NOT acceptable. We can be angry and frustrated  on players and manager on results and skills, but NEVER threaten anyone, NEVER!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64766580

This is awful and shameful from our so called fans. Have a moan, boo if you must, but making it as personal as this is just not on at all. Embarrassing.

[Rob B]

13 hours ago, thevelourfog said:

Watched most of the press conference. My overriding thought is "what would the players make of it?", and especially the more senior and successful ones. I can't see that it's all that helpful for mentality to hear your coach list what amount to (intention or otherwise) excuses for why performances and results have even so rubbish. Certainly in my own management experience I'd be setting out context and mitigating factors when accounting to my seniors about team performance, but not having the same conversation with or in earshot of the team. Can't help but think it sends the message "this is okay and you aren't accountable, you don't have to do anything to fix it".

Was going to post a similar point actually.

I don’t have any problem with the press conference in terms of managing the media and the fans (bear with me).  People will say GP was using excuses, and to a degree he was - saying results haven’t been good enough, but there’s been a lot of mitigating factors.

The alternative approach I suppose would have been to behave snappy or direct instead of friendly and approachable, but the press narrative would have said he’s feeling the pressure,  and if he would have come in with a rallying cry and issued ultimatums to the squad like some managers do, he gets slaughtered if we don’t beat Spurs and he has nowhere to go. 

But the main feeling I had after watching that press conference was “I hope he is giving a different version to the players”.    I think it was Jose who used to say to his squad, ignore anything you hear me say to the media! 

I’m sure Potter’s a good man-manager and a half decent coach, but my biggest concern with him has always been about the mentality he instills in the squad.  Is there an obsession to go out and win every game.  Does he demand the highest standards from the players?  Is he willing to be ruthless and drop star players like Ten Hag has if his instructions aren’t followed?  My gut feel tells me not and this is where I think we are falling down.  It’s all too nice and easy for the players right now. 

[Sciatika]

32 minutes ago, Rob B said:

I think it was Jose who used to say to his squad, ignore anything you hear me say to the media! 

Given they are professional footballers, they will know that things said to the media by anyone associated with the club, whether owners, managers or other members of the squad, are for the consumption of the media.

[Mark Kelly]

I just heard some of Steve Cooper of Nottingham forest press conference , he said nothing any different than Potter does , "they're a good side" " tough away game" "working hard" ect . They've all been coached to say very little. I don't expect anyone is expecting Forest to dial it in .

[Max Fowler]

1 hour ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

This is awful and shameful from our so called fans. Have a moan, boo if you must, but making it as personal as this is just not on at all. Embarrassing.

No way to condone death threats - absolutely unacceptable - but it also might be fair to say "a death threat isn't what it used to be" (it's so easy to just find someone's email and reel off an abusive message).

I didn't think Potter was moaning about these mental health challenges yesterday, but this is all a result of fans feeling powerless, that we're stuck with this guy and fear about where it will take us. It's got expressed in a handful of idiots - but Boehly should be well aware now of the level of animosity and how untenable this will become.

[JaneB]

20 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

No way to condone death threats - absolutely unacceptable - but it also might be fair to say "a death threat isn't what it used to be" (it's so easy to just find someone's email and reel off an abusive message).

I didn't think Potter was moaning about these mental health challenges yesterday, but this is all a result of fans feeling powerless, that we're stuck with this guy and fear about where it will take us. It's got expressed in a handful of idiots - but Boehly should be well aware now of the level of animosity and how untenable this will become.

Well maybe, but it would still terrify me and who's to know what's real and what's not.

Let's be clear, there is always a line that shouldn't be crossed and I feel uneasy about the vitriol coming down on Potter, such as him being portrayed as a clown, although I realise that's quite mild compared with death threats.

He might be hopeless as our manager, and yes I know he's getting paid millions of pounds, but he's still a human being and there's only so much someone can take, AND we're talking about football here.  It's very important to all of us on here, but not THAT important in the great realm of things.  Sending our manager death threats?  What is the mentality of these 'people' (and don't call them animals, that's an insult to those beautiful creatures).

I'm ashamed to be associated with 'fans' who think it's acceptable to behave like that and the media will lap it up....Graham Potter forced out of the club by death threats from Chelsea supporters.

I really hope we win tomorrow, obviously, and if it takes a bit of pressure off GP then even better.  He might not be the long term answer but he's a nice, decent man.

I really hate football sometimes.  

[Michael Tucker]

2 hours ago, My Blood Is Blue said:

This is awful and shameful from our so called fans. Have a moan, boo if you must, but making it as personal as this is just not on at all. Embarrassing.

Well said, mate.

[exiledblue]

There are still many here seemingly behind Potter. I wish I had your optimism

Tomorrow if Spurs beat us, hopefully not but sadly I dont give us much chance, and Potter comes out with his usual lines after sitting passionless on his bench.  Can we all finally agree he is not what we want?

MOTD tomorrow 'they were better prepared (despite the coach not being present), its not what we want, we are improving and thats how it is' 

[exiledblue]

5 hours ago, asvaberg said:

This is NOT acceptable. We can be angry and frustrated  on players and manager on results and skills, but NEVER threaten anyone, NEVER!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64766580

100%. Its a game we are angry but threating anyone doesnt change it. 

It shows the passion and emotions we have. He is stressed, so are we.

[Ham]

18 minutes ago, exiledblue said:

There are still many here seemingly behind Potter. I wish I had your optimism

Tomorrow if Spurs beat us, hopefully not but sadly I dont give us much chance, and Potter comes out with his usual lines after sitting passionless on his bench.  Can we all finally agree he is not what we want?

MOTD tomorrow 'they were better prepared (despite the coach not being present), its not what we want, we are improving and thats how it is' 

I'm not sure anyone is still behind Potter but there are those, like me, who hope we go on a winning run from tomorrow so that we don't need to spend millions sacking another coaching team and start again 

Edited February 25, 2023 by Ham

[Mark Kelly]

Personally I think Potter came across very well in the interview with Geoff Shreeve on Sky this morning. Calm, measured, unflappable and focused. 

Shrugged off the threats for the lunacy they are and remained confident in his abilities to turn the slump around which I think is a good thing no wild ideas just calm insistence in his methods. 

[exiledblue]

Heard an ex pro somewhere saying the players liked Potter. So given many of the players are top players and not downing tools the problem must be the tactics. 

[Max Fowler]

1 hour ago, exiledblue said:

Heard an ex pro somewhere saying the players liked Potter. So given many of the players are top players and not downing tools the problem must be the tactics. 

Or Potter is very likeable but just not a winner.

[Mark Kelly]

Just seen this from Facebook :

 

Worked in computers since 1978. I have a few tricks myself and have connections.

A specialist from Cambridge University has been helping me since last night.

We have now identified 7 individuals behind the threats to Potter.

Thankfully these are not genuine threats as they come from people on the other side of the planet. However that doesn't mean they are any less stressful for Graham Potter and his family. The Internet is an awful place sometimes.

We managed to turn two web cameras on remotely and take a look around their homes.

Five of the accounts have connections to individuals who claim to be Liverpool fans, one a Tottenham fan and one from an account of someone who once supported Barcelona but has been claiming to be a Chelsea fan since the night we beat Manchester City in the Champions League final.

We have a few more leads we are following up

We have provided the Metropolitan Police, the Foreign Office, Chelsea and Interpol with the home addresses in three cases and the IP addresses and other screenshots in those and four other cases.

They can run, but they can not hide.

PS
UK media are not interested. In all cases these people will be described purely as Chelsea fans rather than foreign Liverpool trolls.

[chara]

Just as a back up comment agreeing wholeheartedly with all the disgust voiced regarding the GP attack issues.

For all the opinions and criticism on here I have not read one tasteless comment and no attack on GP as a person and absolutely no mention of his family as an object of insult or aggression.

Work criticism is part of the game but personal attacks have no place in any decent person's verbal or physical involvement.

 

[RDCW]

3 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

Just seen this from Facebook :

 

 

Worked in computers since 1978. I have a few tricks myself and have connections.

A specialist from Cambridge University has been helping me since last night.

We have now identified 7 individuals behind the threats to Potter.

Thankfully these are not genuine threats as they come from people on the other side of the planet. However that doesn't mean they are any less stressful for Graham Potter and his family. The Internet is an awful place sometimes.

We managed to turn two web cameras on remotely and take a look around their homes.

Five of the accounts have connections to individuals who claim to be Liverpool fans, one a Tottenham fan and one from an account of someone who once supported Barcelona but has been claiming to be a Chelsea fan since the night we beat Manchester City in the Champions League final.

We have a few more leads we are following up

We have provided the Metropolitan Police, the Foreign Office, Chelsea and Interpol with the home addresses in three cases and the IP addresses and other screenshots in those and four other cases.

They can run, but they can not hide.

PS
UK media are not interested. In all cases these people will be described purely as Chelsea fans rather than foreign Liverpool trolls.

Sadly there are folk on here who are all to ready to believe that these pathetic threats have come from bona fide Chelsea fans. We are living in a world where any inadequate moron can issue threats and posture in the name of anything he (because more often than not it is a "he") wants. 

[Mark Kelly]

8 minutes ago, RDCW said:

Sadly there are folk on here who are all to ready to believe that these pathetic threats have come from bona fide Chelsea fans. We are living in a world where any inadequate moron can issue threats and posture in the name of anything he (because more often than not it is a "he") wants. 

I've noticed that often the racial abuse that rears it's ugly head on twitter aimed at black players is from people who appear to come from foreign climes and I'm talking outside Europe. But that doesn't fit the narrative in the media so it just gets reported as racist football fans. 

Not saying we don't have our share of meatheads but.. 

[Holymoly]

11 hours ago, asvaberg said:

This is NOT acceptable. We can be angry and frustrated  on players and manager on results and skills, but NEVER threaten anyone, NEVER!

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64766580

Mate, this sickening. Either they are kid on fans from another club or else they're moronic adolescents having been brought up without the gentle kiss of a birching or two. Root them out and take the internet off them.