Chelsea Sack Graham Potter

[Bob Singleton]

2 hours ago, Holymoly said:

[SNIP]

All you see is players practicing one touch passing (which you never see in a game incidentally) laughing and joking, wearing snoods and gloves (don't get a sweat up ffs guys).

[SNIP]

In a video of last week's sessions, I noticed that while the men's team players were mostly wearing hats, snoods, gloves, leggings, etc., the footage of the women's team showed them bare legged and no gloves or snoods or hats.


In other news... we now have a new excuse:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11798115/Graham-Potter-fears-Chelseas-bloated-squad-having-negative-impact-training-sessions.html

[Bert19]

15 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

In other news... we now have a new excuse:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11798115/Graham-Potter-fears-Chelseas-bloated-squad-having-negative-impact-training-sessions.html

As if he doesn't have the sole decision-making capability to choose who he works with and reduce that group size.  There are at least half a dozen he could trim. Including one that he keeps picking in the XI who was in Paris at 11pm on Deadline Day in January.  

 

[Mark Kelly]

20 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

In a video of last week's sessions, I noticed that while the men's team players were mostly wearing hats, snoods, gloves, leggings, etc., the footage of the women's team showed them bare legged and no gloves or snoods or hats.


In other news... we now have a new excuse:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11798115/Graham-Potter-fears-Chelseas-bloated-squad-having-negative-impact-training-sessions.html

 

3 minutes ago, Bert19 said:

As if he doesn't have the sole decision-making capability to choose who he works with and reduce that group size.  There are at least half a dozen he could trim. Including one that he keeps picking in the XI who was in Paris at 11pm on Deadline Day in January.  

 

I'm sure this is made up click-bait but on the off chance it's not , Graham , pick 22 players (not Ziyech) and bin the rest of them off as not good enough for now and train 22 with the rest dropping down to the B team . 

Emotional intelligence is lovely but helps no-one when your head is on the block.

[Holymoly]

3 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

 

I'm sure this is made up click-bait but on the off chance it's not , Graham , pick 22 players (not Ziyech) and bin the rest of them off as not good enough for now and train 22 with the rest dropping down to the B team . 

Emotional intelligence is lovely but helps no-one when your head is on the block.

I was about to say 3 groups of 8 a side with the rest on post injury work. Alternatively give them a day off and go paintballing to build team spirit...naked...using ball bearings.

[CarefreeMuratcan]

 

Sounds like he is gone if we don't win the Dortmund game?

[Bert19]

33 minutes ago, CarefreeMuratcan said:

Sounds like he is gone if we don't win the Dortmund game?

To be fair, given our league form and the fact we still have some really difficult sides left to play, winning the Leeds game feels A LOT more urgent at the moment.  Anything we get in the CL is just a nice extra, but the serious business has to be arresting what is starting to look like a really steep slide and quickly. 

Plus if he loses the Dortmund game (which he will), that's our season completely over in terms of anything positive - so he's done the damage and the players will have very little motivation after. Not great. 

 

Just get it over and done with now. He's not turning the whole thing around in two games and this way would just be nine more days of this garbage that we don't need. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Bert19

[thevelourfog]

8 minutes ago, Bert19 said:

To be fair, given our league form and the fact we still have some really difficult sides left to play, winning the Leeds game feels A LOT more urgent at the moment.  Anything we get in the CL is just a nice extra, but the serious business has to be arresting what is starting to look like a really steep slide and quickly. 

Plus if he loses the Dortmund game (which he will), that's our season completely over in terms of anything positive - so he's done the damage and the players will have very little motivation after. Not great. 

 

Just get it over and done with now. He's not turning the whole thing around in two games and this way would just be nine more days of this garbage that we don't need. 

100%. The Dortmund game is of significantly less consequence now. We aren't winning the CL, not with this manager or the players in this state. We've got ourselves into a position where we desperately need not only to take points, but stop sides battling relegation from taking any. It's honestly unbelievable from where we were when Potter came in.

He could win 10 in a row and my view wouldn't change. This kind of form, this kind of toothlessness, is in him. For whatever qualities he has, any team he coaches will have this in them and will do this again. He is a complete wrong fit.

[BMox81]

7 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

100%. The Dortmund game is of significantly less consequence now. We aren't winning the CL, not with this manager or the players in this state. We've got ourselves into a position where we desperately need not only to take points, but stop sides battling relegation from taking any. It's honestly unbelievable from where we were when Potter came in.

He could win 10 in a row and my view wouldn't change. This kind of form, this kind of toothlessness, is in him. For whatever qualities he has, any team he coaches will have this in them and will do this again. He is a complete wrong fit.

Wrong fit for who though? Clearly Boehly and Co had him as the right person to manage this project. Is it because he’s too nice that we the fans just don’t like that? Especially when we’re in the situation we’re in.

I dunno, maybe I’m at the point of we reap what we sow. We’ve lived on the hire and fire strategy for so long that we as a fanbase don’t have it in us to stomach this type of scenario. Maybe we just have to suck it up and what will be will be.

[thevelourfog]

3 minutes ago, BMox81 said:

Wrong fit for who though? Clearly Boehly and Co had him as the right person to manage this project. Is it because he’s too nice that we the fans just don’t like that? Especially when we’re in the situation we’re in.

I dunno, maybe I’m at the point of we reap what we sow. We’ve lived on the hire and fire strategy for so long that we as a fanbase don’t have it in us to stomach this type of scenario. Maybe we just have to suck it up and what will be will be.

Chelsea FC? What the club as an organisation actually needs? Because it obviously needs to do better than 2 wins in 15 and 1 goal from 77 shots. And this is completely irrespective of what the supporters think or feel, and pretty plainly what those who have bought the club at considerable expense need and expect. I'm not really a fan of this framing, because the issue here is not any form of impatience or entitlement from supporters. It’s that the coach in charge is actively demonstrating they don't have the capabilities to do a job even a level or two below what the majority of supporter's expectations are.

[Max Fowler]

1 hour ago, CarefreeMuratcan said:

 

Sounds like he is gone if we don't win the Dortmund game?

This is a big one.

Matt Law has been staunchly protective of Potter ever since he took over.

This really is make or break time.

Personally I can't see us getting a result against Leeds.

They have a new manager bounce and a ton to play for - they'll want it more than us.

[Max Fowler]

2 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Chelsea FC? What the club as an organisation actually needs? Because it obviously needs to do better than 2 wins in 15 and 1 goal from 77 shots. And this is completely irrespective of what the supporters think or feel, and pretty plainly what those who have bought the club at considerable expense need and expect. I'm not really a fan of this framing, because the issue here is not any form of impatience or entitlement from supporters. It’s that the coach in charge is actively demonstrating they don't have the capabilities to do a job even a level or two below what the majority of supporter's expectations are.

Your numbers are wrong. It's 2 wins in 16. (easy to lose count)

[Mark Kelly]

9 minutes ago, BMox81 said:

Wrong fit for who though? Clearly Boehly and Co had him as the right person to manage this project. Is it because he’s too nice that we the fans just don’t like that? Especially when we’re in the situation we’re in.

I dunno, maybe I’m at the point of we reap what we sow. We’ve lived on the hire and fire strategy for so long that we as a fanbase don’t have it in us to stomach this type of scenario. Maybe we just have to suck it up and what will be will be.

We're owned by an investment group ,I'm sure they'd like a hefty return on their investment , becoming the south answer to Sunderland whilst we respect the process can't be what they're after surely ? Small thing but our shirt sponsorship is up shortly , do you think sponsors want a team at the top or a team in the Championship?

We can have a process if they want one , just one where the coach isn't absolutely awful by any metric.

[thevelourfog]

30 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

Your numbers are wrong. It's 2 wins in 16. (easy to lose count)

My bad, and helps demonstrate the lunacy of two more games. 4 wins in 18 would hardly be cause for celebration.

[chara]

2 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

My bad, and helps demonstrate the lunacy of two more games. 4 wins in 18 would hardly be cause for celebration.

Looking at the fixtures left to play not one of them looks like a nailed on Chelsea  win as things stand.

Forget the Champions League...just may limp on but honestly?

GP's results are relegation form. That is the bottom line....not acceptable at any club let alone Chelsea.

[Mark Kelly]

12 minutes ago, chara said:

Looking at the fixtures left to play not one of them looks like a nailed on Chelsea  win as things stand.

Forget the Champions League...just may limp on but honestly?

GP's results are relegation form. That is the bottom line....not acceptable at any club let alone Chelsea.

Scarily , Leeds and Everton  Forest and Bournemouth  will be looking at these as "6 pointers" whereas Potter will be looking at them as learning experiences .

Looking at our remaining fixtures we are definitely going down , there isn't a side amongst them with a worst coach and or a point to prove .

We're going down , finally we have our Chelsea back .

Edited February 27, 2023 by Mark Kelly

[chara]

1 minute ago, Mark Kelly said:

Scarily , Leeds and Everton and Bournemouth  will be looking at these as "6 pointers" whereas Potter will be looking at them as learning experiences .

Looking at our remaining fixtures we are definitely going down , there isn't a side amongst them with a worst coach and or a point to prove .

We're going down , finally we have our Chelsea back .

The 500lb gorilla in the Forum...if we don't look at him/her it won't be there!

(Hope no one is offended by the gorilla reference,,,never sure these days!..prompted by A Far Side offering I saw earlier today...that's where we and Chelsea are,,on The Far Side.)

[FrankLampard8]

10 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Scarily , Leeds and Everton  Forest and Bournemouth  will be looking at these as "6 pointers" whereas Potter will be looking at them as learning experiences .

Looking at our remaining fixtures we are definitely going down , there isn't a side amongst them with a worst coach and or a point to prove .

We're going down , finally we have our Chelsea back .

We're the boys in blue in division 2 but we won't be here for long... unless we keep Potter that is.

[chara]

Just checked the tables...with the exception of Soton (one win 3 points curtesy of?) ALL the ten sides below Chelsea have taken more points in the last five games.

[thevelourfog]

"As the new era of the Boehly-Clearlake ownership begins, we are excited to build a championship organisation ... "

Maybe that bit of the statement they released on buying the club wasn't just a mawkish Americanism ...

[Holymoly]

This was posted on Reddit today:

Graham Potter's biggest success at chelsea has been his man management. Obviously the emotional intelligence and calm nature were the two most talked about traits when we hired the man but let’s put some context to that.

He inherited what can only be described as a Frankenstein squad. Players bought for different managers and different systems. We all know that already. That’s not news but it is important. Tuchel was obviously able to get the absolute most out of that squad and he had an absolutely miraculous run to get us that UCL trophy. That sort of short term success is something we might not see ever again with any club. And it’s time to recognize that. However towards the end of his tenure, we started to hear about the cracks starting to form. We became predictable on the pitch, players started underperforming, rumors of tuchel picking favorites started impacting the dressing room, his relationship with the new ownership obviously went sour. It wasn’t good.

Then Graham comes in. Same Frankenstein squad but rather than looking for short term success, he was tasked to build something for the future. So, he came in and talked to everyone. Implemented an open door policy. His goal was to evaluate each player top to bottom. Very literally from their head and how they think and process things to their toe and the ability they have on the pitch. This approach is quite different than the approach tuchel took to achieve what he achieved. That sort of process takes time.

Then, once he has a good understanding of how each player works, he can start to implement his own ideas and his own system in a way he feels like it will be received most effectively. Unfortunately injuries began to hit us pretty hard which obviously makes that even more difficult. It requires additional emotional support for the injured players and it forces him to re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he wasn’t able to fully implement in the first place.

Then, let’s add in a January transfer window. One where the main goal is to bring in a bunch of new players that we can build around for the future. The club achieves that goal. Now, Graham has to speak with all these new players and get a feel for how they work top to bottom and then, AGAIN, re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he STILL hasn’t been able to fully implement.

Now he’s sitting there with a massive squad all of whom he genuinely cares about and wants the best for. And all those guys have their own agendas and different backgrounds and different perspectives and all of whom want to play. And up to this point, he’s kept them all happy and bought in because that’s what he’s best at.

Unfortunately that sort of approach and ideology comes at a cost. The one thing he or any manager has absolutely zero control over is time. Because of how he approaches managing and coaching, he hasn’t had the time to properly implement a culture and system that brings results, let alone consistent results. He’s very much the complete opposite of tuchel in just about every way possible. Tuchels approach brought short term success and he didn’t need much time to get there. I think if we gave Potter time, that success will come. And because of his approach, that success will be sustained for a the long time.

And you can criticize the decisions he makes but we all have to understand that we’re not in these meetings and we’re not at training. There are things that happen behind the scenes that we are not aware of. He’s clearly not a dumb person. It makes sense that behind every decision he makes, there is thought, logic, and data to support those decisions.

We just have to be patient.

 

Picks up the popcorn, sits back and waits.

[Ham]

1 hour ago, thevelourfog said:

My bad, and helps demonstrate the lunacy of two more games. 4 wins in 18 would hardly be cause for celebration.

No but two wins from two would be just dreamy. 

[Flinkers]

22 hours ago, Holymoly said:

I don't think it's the lineups or the tactics but rather that he's trained out the ability to score goals. The fact the players had three days off this week just goes to show the players don't have the self control or the motivation for any self improvement. Stop being such a nice guy to them Graeme. Physical violence may be the way to go.

I’m still of the opinion they need to be hit where it hurts the most - in their wallet

[RDCW]

12 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

This was posted on Reddit today:

Graham Potter's biggest success at chelsea has been his man management. Obviously the emotional intelligence and calm nature were the two most talked about traits when we hired the man but let’s put some context to that.

He inherited what can only be described as a Frankenstein squad. Players bought for different managers and different systems. We all know that already. That’s not news but it is important. Tuchel was obviously able to get the absolute most out of that squad and he had an absolutely miraculous run to get us that UCL trophy. That sort of short term success is something we might not see ever again with any club. And it’s time to recognize that. However towards the end of his tenure, we started to hear about the cracks starting to form. We became predictable on the pitch, players started underperforming, rumors of tuchel picking favorites started impacting the dressing room, his relationship with the new ownership obviously went sour. It wasn’t good.

Then Graham comes in. Same Frankenstein squad but rather than looking for short term success, he was tasked to build something for the future. So, he came in and talked to everyone. Implemented an open door policy. His goal was to evaluate each player top to bottom. Very literally from their head and how they think and process things to their toe and the ability they have on the pitch. This approach is quite different than the approach tuchel took to achieve what he achieved. That sort of process takes time.

Then, once he has a good understanding of how each player works, he can start to implement his own ideas and his own system in a way he feels like it will be received most effectively. Unfortunately injuries began to hit us pretty hard which obviously makes that even more difficult. It requires additional emotional support for the injured players and it forces him to re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he wasn’t able to fully implement in the first place.

Then, let’s add in a January transfer window. One where the main goal is to bring in a bunch of new players that we can build around for the future. The club achieves that goal. Now, Graham has to speak with all these new players and get a feel for how they work top to bottom and then, AGAIN, re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he STILL hasn’t been able to fully implement.

Now he’s sitting there with a massive squad all of whom he genuinely cares about and wants the best for. And all those guys have their own agendas and different backgrounds and different perspectives and all of whom want to play. And up to this point, he’s kept them all happy and bought in because that’s what he’s best at.

Unfortunately that sort of approach and ideology comes at a cost. The one thing he or any manager has absolutely zero control over is time. Because of how he approaches managing and coaching, he hasn’t had the time to properly implement a culture and system that brings results, let alone consistent results. He’s very much the complete opposite of tuchel in just about every way possible. Tuchels approach brought short term success and he didn’t need much time to get there. I think if we gave Potter time, that success will come. And because of his approach, that success will be sustained for a the long time.

And you can criticize the decisions he makes but we all have to understand that we’re not in these meetings and we’re not at training. There are things that happen behind the scenes that we are not aware of. He’s clearly not a dumb person. It makes sense that behind every decision he makes, there is thought, logic, and data to support those decisions.

We just have to be patient.

 

Picks up the popcorn, sits back and waits.

Utter bollocks of course. We aren't talking about a minor blip in form, we're talking about results falling off a cliff. Building for the future and utilising present resources effectively are not mutually exclusive. Most fans would accept a temporary mediocrity in the interests of establishing a basis for sustained future success, but we have fallen so far below mediocre that we can only dream of it.

[chara]

11 minutes ago, RDCW said:

Utter bollocks of course. We aren't talking about a minor blip in form, we're talking about results falling off a cliff. Building for the future and utilising present resources effectively are not mutually exclusive. Most fans would accept a temporary mediocrity in the interests of establishing a basis for sustained future success, but we have fallen so far below mediocre that we can only dream of it.

The GP masterpiece of PR spin....it's not that what was printed is not the truth but conveniently  it sidestepped the fact that the side looks and is a non functioning shambles..everything else is as Mr Williams eloquently explains..Utter Bollocks.

Back to my oft repeated offering...I know it's not rain pouring down my back so please don't try to tell me it is.

And we are not sitting on a tuffet..it's a lot runnier than that!

Edited February 27, 2023 by chara

[Mark Kelly]

33 minutes ago, Holymoly said:

This was posted on Reddit today:

Graham Potter's biggest success at chelsea has been his man management. Obviously the emotional intelligence and calm nature were the two most talked about traits when we hired the man but let’s put some context to that.

He inherited what can only be described as a Frankenstein squad. Players bought for different managers and different systems. We all know that already. That’s not news but it is important. Tuchel was obviously able to get the absolute most out of that squad and he had an absolutely miraculous run to get us that UCL trophy. That sort of short term success is something we might not see ever again with any club. And it’s time to recognize that. However towards the end of his tenure, we started to hear about the cracks starting to form. We became predictable on the pitch, players started underperforming, rumors of tuchel picking favorites started impacting the dressing room, his relationship with the new ownership obviously went sour. It wasn’t good.

Then Graham comes in. Same Frankenstein squad but rather than looking for short term success, he was tasked to build something for the future. So, he came in and talked to everyone. Implemented an open door policy. His goal was to evaluate each player top to bottom. Very literally from their head and how they think and process things to their toe and the ability they have on the pitch. This approach is quite different than the approach tuchel took to achieve what he achieved. That sort of process takes time.

Then, once he has a good understanding of how each player works, he can start to implement his own ideas and his own system in a way he feels like it will be received most effectively. Unfortunately injuries began to hit us pretty hard which obviously makes that even more difficult. It requires additional emotional support for the injured players and it forces him to re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he wasn’t able to fully implement in the first place.

Then, let’s add in a January transfer window. One where the main goal is to bring in a bunch of new players that we can build around for the future. The club achieves that goal. Now, Graham has to speak with all these new players and get a feel for how they work top to bottom and then, AGAIN, re-analyze the situation and adapt a system he STILL hasn’t been able to fully implement.

Now he’s sitting there with a massive squad all of whom he genuinely cares about and wants the best for. And all those guys have their own agendas and different backgrounds and different perspectives and all of whom want to play. And up to this point, he’s kept them all happy and bought in because that’s what he’s best at.

Unfortunately that sort of approach and ideology comes at a cost. The one thing he or any manager has absolutely zero control over is time. Because of how he approaches managing and coaching, he hasn’t had the time to properly implement a culture and system that brings results, let alone consistent results. He’s very much the complete opposite of tuchel in just about every way possible. Tuchels approach brought short term success and he didn’t need much time to get there. I think if we gave Potter time, that success will come. And because of his approach, that success will be sustained for a the long time.

And you can criticize the decisions he makes but we all have to understand that we’re not in these meetings and we’re not at training. There are things that happen behind the scenes that we are not aware of. He’s clearly not a dumb person. It makes sense that behind every decision he makes, there is thought, logic, and data to support those decisions.

We just have to be patient.

 

Picks up the popcorn, sits back and waits.

Written by Toddmeister01 by any chance? 

Too much talking not enough coaching. 

We will have the most emotionally supported squad in the Championship. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Mark Kelly