Chelsea Sack Graham Potter

[chara]

5 minutes ago, Box of Tricks said:

Below Brendan Rodgers.

Says it all.

[thevelourfog]

1 hour ago, chara said:

Looking at the table and the head coach at each side I got to wondering where I would place GP on a table of coaches.

Given say Pep as #1 (not an argument just as a starter) and the last sacked coach at the bottom about where would you place GP?.

 

I think Villa and Wolves have hired "better" coaches than us this season. Better at setting up teams to get results consumerate to their ability, at least.

Which would probably be the problem with that table. Coaches don't all really have the same job, don't all specialise in the same thing. Potter would probably be 3rd or 4th in what he does well, but nowhere even close to that in getting, grinding out even, results.

[chara]

3 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

I think Villa and Wolves have hired "better" coaches than us this season. Better at setting up teams to get results consumerate to their ability, at least.

Which would probably be the problem with that table. Coaches don't all really have the same job, don't all specialise in the same thing. Potter would probably be 3rd or 4th in what he does well, but nowhere even close to that in getting, grinding out even, results.

Very true...often a coach who drags/guides a side up into the EPL,,a success.."fails" at that level, for instance.

The oft named "relegation" rescuers get A job done but are not successful as day to day coaches.

Your bottom line is just that..."grinding out, even, results,",,, 

Results Results Results....anything else is cosmetic....good  results with great football..the ideal...good football with no results..less so!

At the moment we have bad results and bad football with the odd saving grace..e,g Silva ..... 

[Rob B]

4 hours ago, chara said:

Looking at the table and the head coach at each side I got to wondering where I would place GP on a table of coaches.

Given say Pep as #1 (not an argument just as a starter) and the last sacked coach at the bottom about where would you place GP?.

 

Interesting question this.  When Tuchel got sacked, I think Potter would have been top 4-5 for me and whilst I didn’t want TT gone, I genuinely thought Potter was a great replacement. 

Fast forward six months or so and having watched the lack of coaching, patterns of play, motivation and progression generally, I’d now also have him behind Arteta, Howe, De Zerbi, Ten Hag, Marco Silva, Thomas Frank and even Emery.  They are all showing much more with fewer resources. 

Short answer to your question, probably somewhere between 11th and 14th. 

[chara]

17 minutes ago, Rob B said:

Interesting question this.  When Tuchel got sacked, I think Potter would have been top 4-5 for me and whilst I didn’t want TT gone, I genuinely thought Potter was a great replacement. 

Fast forward six months or so and having watched the lack of coaching, patterns of play, motivation and progression generally, I’d now also have him behind Arteta, Howe, De Zerbi, Ten Hag, Marco Silva, Thomas Frank and even Emery.  They are all showing much more with fewer resources. 

Short answer to your question, probably somewhere between 11th and 14th. 

I think your "Fast forward six months or so " observation is very telling...even taking into account the WC ,injuries and new players (just) the lack of progress is a great concern to me.

11th/14th...probably about right..at this stage of the season the tables do not lie.

[Michael Tucker]

3 hours ago, chara said:

At the moment we have bad results and bad football with the odd saving grace..e,g Silva ..... 

Yes. So why is Potter still head coach? We're not seeing scintillating football, or inventive team selections. It doesn't look like the players are particularly happy. His press conferences are frankly, embarrassing. The owners appear to have plenty of money, so why hasn't Potter been punted?

[chara]

28 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

Yes. So why is Potter still head coach? We're not seeing scintillating football, or inventive team selections. It doesn't look like the players are particularly happy. His press conferences are frankly, embarrassing. The owners appear to have plenty of money, so why hasn't Potter been punted?

A question for the ages.... but without any research I wonder how the GP era results looked compared to past EPL coach sackings?

The only close theory I can come up with I mentioned elsewhere..no point in sacking unless (until) a better option is available or in place 

Offshoot question..IF Klop or Pep were available would anyone accept or welcome them ?

[Michael Tucker]

17 minutes ago, chara said:

The only close theory I can come up with I mentioned elsewhere..no point in sacking unless (until) a better option is available or in place 

So you don't think that there are better coaches out there, and available?

17 minutes ago, chara said:

Offshoot question..IF Klop or Pep were available would anyone accept or welcome them ?

Of course. They're proven winners - what's not to like?

[chara]

38 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

So you don't think that there are better coaches out there, and available?

Of course. They're proven winners - what's not to like?

Ahh,,that;s not what I meant MT...muddled point making and thinking on my part but the season is lost...as long as Chelsea avoid relegation it really doesn't matter if we finish 10th to 17th. We have to suck it up.

Certainly a lot of better or more effective coaches out there...immediate availability is a question I would think.

Again pointless at this stage to make changes.

No matter how reasonable and fair I try to be,,as do most here... he is a disaster as things stand and he has failed to pass his probationary period in terms of the real world.

We have waited a long time for certain players to blossom..and we all know that isn't going to happen..same with GP I fear.

Aside..I remember (OG) when Danny Blanchflower came to Chelsea...it was said that the players couldn't understand what he was talking about footballwise...

Maybe thats GP's problem except DB was too intelligent and articulate with sophisticated (I assume) ideas and GP has no real plans for advancement,

Put any group of players at any level together and they will work out in short order how to play together. I think perhaps that is the GP plan?

AT EPL LEVEL THAT ISN'T ENOUGH.

added..not to like?,,Kloppy's teeth and Pep's fashion sense!

😊

Edited February 11, 2023 by chara

[Michael Tucker]

30 minutes ago, chara said:

Ahh,,that;s not what I meant MT...muddled point making and thinking on my part but the season is lost...as long as Chelsea avoid relegation it really doesn't matter if we finish 10th to 17th. We have to suck it up.

Sorry mate, but it matters to me. And I don't have to 'suck it up'. Never have, and never will.

 

[chara]

16 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

Sorry mate, but it matters to me. And I don't have to 'suck it up'. Never have, and never will.

 

I'm giving out the wrong message about my feelings. MT..Me too I'm just trying to accept the situation with as much grace as I can muster,,and it ain't much.

Regroup ..go again..with a real coach...not a media built image.

[xceleryx]

Potter's record at Brighton in the Premier League.

• 119 matches 
• 34 wins
• 43 draws
• 42 losses
• 131 goals for
• 148 goals against
• 145 points 
• 1.22 PPM

Potters record for Chelsea to date in the Premier League

• 16 matches
• 5 wins
• 6 draws
• 5 losses
• 15 goals for
• 13 goals against
• 21 points
• 1.31 PPM

He's pretty much produced exactly as he did for Brighton, he's not a winning manager nor is he a losing manager. What he is is that middle ground run-of-the-mill that doesn't really move the needle in either direction. The one constant however is that he's continuously been at the helm of some of the lowest scoring sides in the last few years, we're talking just above the relegation zone type of low. Right now we're sitting 13th for goals scored - 3 ahead of both Palace and Bournemouth and 2 below Villa. 

As per my fears when he was appointed, there's just not enough about him that sparks conviction to take us where we want to be.

[chara]

Still not sure why GP is getting a relatively easy ride from us here on the Forum.

He doesn't have the goodwill factor going for him afforded Frank..the least we could do forSFL...the results of TT or Jose or the early realisation, and voicing, that AVB and Avram were not up to the job.

I personally have written him off for practical purposes but still can't find enough anger to castigate him and call for his removal..which basically is my stance re him..strange.

Anyone else feeling as puzzled?

[Michael Tucker]

4 minutes ago, chara said:

Anyone else feeling as puzzled?

Nope. He's a dope, and needs to go before he does anymore damage. 

[chara]

36 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

Nope. He's a dope, and needs to go before he does anymore damage. 

Don't ever change MT...ok..I'll join your gang....you are right of course..asap but for sure by next season,

I think it was your "anymore damage" point that tipped me over..no more reluctance from me.

I do however think Todd and Co will suffer his presence until it suits them,,not with a knee jerk response to fan opinion.

[kev61]

1 hour ago, chara said:

as long as Chelsea avoid relegation it really doesn't matter if we finish 10th to 17th. We have to suck it up.

Certainly a lot of better or more effective coaches out there...immediate availability is a question I would think.

Again pointless at this stage to make changes.

 

Yep I'm with you on this Chara.No matter what soundings are coming from Boehly and Clearwater Potter is a dead man walking unless things improve  dramatically this season.

Sure they will make statements like they don't expect a vast improvement after recent signings,that is nonsense,but as you say what is the point in changing things now?

Having said that it wouldn't surprise me if Potter was shown the door if we don't get past Dortmund.

Who knows we might go on a winning streak with a new manager and squeeze into a top six finish or better.

[chara]

Now is a nice easy time on the Forum.

It's what I call the "Night Owl Mob"..Kev MT xcx at times and a few others...early evening for me and I'm never sure about the time Down Under but a worthy group to mix with and always good for an opinion and view point.

I did miss this Forum..OG. retired, mid Colorado winter so indoors and time on my hands..who could ask for more!!

[kev61]

13 minutes ago, chara said:

 

 retired, mid Colorado winter so indoors and time on my hands..who could ask for more!!

I retired recently and find myself in a strange place.My wife pissed herself laughing when I said I was going to a rugby match.

I started to play more golf but I have an arm injury that I can't it shake off.Anyone else have this problem?.It happened after I got my last covid booster jab.

My wife,my sister,my sister in law have all problems with the arm they were injected with.

It's probably hypochondria brought on by og -ism🙂

[chara]

3 minutes ago, kev61 said:

I retired recently and find myself in a strange place.My wife pissed herself laughing when I said I was going to a rugby match.

I started to play more golf but I have an arm injury that I can't it shake off.Anyone else have this problem?.It happened after I got my last covid booster jab.

My wife,my sister,my sister in law have all problems with the arm they were injected with.

It's probably hypochondria brought on by og -ism🙂

If only Kev....I had a bad long term reaction to my first booster. over a month of brain fog and lack of energy...easy to say og'ism but not so.. after talking with my Dr I postponed further boosters..he said something like..:They don't really know and are flying by the seat of their pants."....

[Michael Tucker]

4 minutes ago, kev61 said:

My wife,my sister,my sister in law have all problems with the arm they were injected with.

Or so they say.....

4 minutes ago, kev61 said:

It's probably hypochondria brought on by og -ism🙂

My guess..😜

I've had all my jabs to date, and had zero problems. Maybe I've just been lucky?

[chara]

1 minute ago, Michael Tucker said:

Or so they say.....

My guess..😜

I've had all my jabs to date, and had zero problems. Maybe I've just been lucky?

Mrs C was fine and is up to date with jabs.....

I react badly to penicillin(and anti tetanus) but it is a life saver for most....luck of the draw as it were. 

 

[kev61]

10 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

Or so they say.....

My guess..😜

I've had all my jabs to date, and had zero problems. Maybe I've just been lucky?

Maybe.I'm not a conspiracy theorist but how can three people(that I know)have problems with their arm after getting the jab?.

Anyway,  worse things happen at sea, just glad I didn't get the dreaded virus.

[Michael Tucker]

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

Maybe.I'm not a conspiracy theorist but how can three people(that I know)have problems with their arm after getting the jab?.

I really don't know Kev. All I know for certain is that I didn't.

1 hour ago, kev61 said:

Anyway,  worse things happen at sea, just glad I didn't get the dreaded virus.

This.

[Blue Moon]

9 hours ago, kev61 said:

I retired recently and find myself in a strange place.My wife pissed herself laughing when I said I was going to a rugby match.

I started to play more golf but I have an arm injury that I can't it shake off.Anyone else have this problem?.It happened after I got my last covid booster jab.

My wife,my sister,my sister in law have all problems with the arm they were injected with.

It's probably hypochondria brought on by og -ism🙂

Left arm, @kev61? That’s typical for golf - which I took up on retiring 3 years ago, and just before I got bored and went back to work part-time. My wrist packed up progressively last year to the point where I’m in a brace, with physio in progress. TFCC tear, apparently. Had Covid 3-4 times - once caught at the Bridge - no great shakes, but left me with brain fog - despite having shots and boosters - so won’t bother in future.

 

Also, two friends had all the shots, and had heart attacks within a week or so. Coincidental? Who knows …

Edited February 12, 2023 by Blue Moon

[Trini_Blue]

15 hours ago, Rob B said:

Interesting question this.  When Tuchel got sacked, I think Potter would have been top 4-5 for me and whilst I didn’t want TT gone, I genuinely thought Potter was a great replacement. 

Fast forward six months or so and having watched the lack of coaching, patterns of play, motivation and progression generally, I’d now also have him behind Arteta, Howe, De Zerbi, Ten Hag, Marco Silva, Thomas Frank and even Emery.  They are all showing much more with fewer resources. 

Short answer to your question, probably somewhere between 11th and 14th. 

Yeah it's not been a great few months from Potter. 

I'd hope that a lot of research goes into selecting a coach to pursue and then hire. Hopefully that's the case. Potter has some real gems at the moment to work with: Reece, Silva, Badiashile, Ben C, Enzo, Felix, Madueke and Mudryk... Kante and Fofana back soon too. This is a highly talented side. 

I feel that by the end of the year we will have a much clearer picture.