Olympic Games 2024

[JaneB]

Just in case there's any interest.

[chara]

Only speaking for myself and definitely as an OG...been a long time since I felt any interest or connection with the Olympics....I'm not so naive as to think the old "Amateur" days were pure and innocent but now it just feels a political and financially influence hodge podge of commercialism.

[Bob Singleton]

Just now, chara said:

Only speaking for myself and definitely as an OG...been a long time since I felt any interest or connection with the Olympics....I'm not so naive as to think the old "Amateur" days were pure and innocent but now it just feels a political and financially influence hodge podge of commercialism.

I suggest you watch "Chariots of Fire", which is mostly set during the Paris Olympics of 1924. Then tell me it - the Olympics and "amateur" sport amongst "gentlemen" - wasn't a hotchpotch of politics and financial influence back then!  😉 😉

[chara]

4 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said:

I suggest you watch "Chariots of Fire", which is mostly set during the Paris Olympics of 1924. Then tell me it - the Olympics and "amateur" sport amongst "gentlemen" - wasn't a hotchpotch of politics and financial influence back then!  😉 😉

Yeahpart  my point of course Bob ..not well put..seen the movie and I admit to over generalising..I was clumsily trying to show how my  vision of the Event has changed from the grey growing up postwar years......the Berlin Olympics instantly come to mind as another example and the horror of the Munich attack,

Thanks for keeping me on my toes ☺️!

[Bob Singleton]

Just as an aside, I'd love to see Town Planning reintroduced as an Olympic event.

[Sciatika]

My Dad used to say to me that UK Town Planning was more destructive than the Luftwaffe. He did, however, have his tongue in his cheek, so I may have misheard.

Edited July 26 by Sciatika

[Ham]

15 minutes ago, Sciatika said:

My Dad used to say to me that UK Town Planning was more destructive than the Luftwaffe. He did, however, have his tongue in his cheek, so I may have misheard.

1960s town planning? 

[Sciatika]

Yes

[chrisb]

I lost all interest in the Olympics after Daley Thompson retired!

[chara]

49 minutes ago, chrisb said:

I lost all interest in the Olympics after Daley Thompson retired!

What?..How did I miss that ? Are you sure ?...been waiting for him to appear.

[Ham]

Absolute disgrace.  Hope the IOC and the Algerian are proud.  Woman battered by biological man until she had to quit after just 46 seconds for her safety.  

A lifetime of work and preparation finished inside a minute.  

 

 

[Mark Kelly]

30 minutes ago, Ham said:

Absolute disgrace.  Hope the IOC and the Algerian are proud.  Woman battered by biological man until she had to quit after just 46 seconds for her safety.  

A lifetime of work and preparation finished inside a minute.  

 

 

I saw that , she has trained for years for this and  all she got for it was a hard reset where she'd been hit harder than she'd ever been hit before and thought "nah" good on her , the IOC want their heads examined. 

[Blue Moon]

Atrocious. I’m amazed the Algerian could do this.

[Ham]

Another male beats up another woman tomorrow if anyone is interested. 

[Blue Moon]

28 minutes ago, Ham said:

Another male beats up another woman tomorrow if anyone is interested. 

No

[My Blood Is Blue]

1 hour ago, Ham said:

Absolute disgrace.  Hope the IOC and the Algerian are proud.  Woman battered by biological man until she had to quit after just 46 seconds for her safety.  

A lifetime of work and preparation finished inside a minute.  

 

 

Appalling.

[chara]

The World has gone mad.... another reason the Olympics have lost my attention and respect,

All the efforts of caring people to bring more equality and understanding to the World taking a set back with such a blatant abuse of the situation.

[Sciatika]

Maybe the likes of Coca-Cola, Samsung, Deloitte and Toyota don't mind sponsoring men beating up women for entertainment. Maybe they should sponsor Fallon Fox.

[chara]

Thoughts..a well trained female boxer back in the day would have beaten me easily with technique, BUT...if I was able to get in a good blow or two  I would probably finish the affair....

Competition should mean that...not a one sided false narrative.

Utter disgrace and distasteful.

[east lower]

3 hours ago, Ham said:

Absolute disgrace.  Hope the IOC and the Algerian are proud.  Woman battered by biological man until she had to quit after just 46 seconds for her safety.  

A lifetime of work and preparation finished inside a minute.  

 

 

It’s disgusting, as many have said.

Nothing would speak with more volume and effect than the remaining participants at that weight, simply refusing to compete. Try that medal ceremony IOC!

[thevelourfog]

This thread is a depressing read full of complete, to be blunt, bullshit misinformation. I know it will go down like a sack of shit, but you should all be ashamed of yourselves for eagerly eating up misinformation.

Imane Khelif is not a "biological man". She has a vagina and a uterus, and was born with both. I'm not up for any kind of debate with anyone here about what makes someone a woman, it wouldn't go well and isn't what this place should be for, but I would be surprised if anyone felt confident saying being born with a vagina and uterus can still be a bar to being a woman.

The media reporting that men exclusively have XX chromosomes and women exclusively have XY chromosomes is factually incorrect. The IBA have decided as a matter of policy to not admit boxers who have XX chromosomes into the sport. Again I will not debate the rights or wrongs of that here and can potentially see a justification in that competitive sport requires some form of tiering to protect its integrity. But the IBA is not an authority on biology or an arbiter of gender. It has other criteria it bars boxers for. And it is worth noting has been heavily criticised and discredited for some of its practices for a long time.

The IOC have a different policy, which is guided by identified sex on a passport. It is worth noting Algeria has incredibly restrictive legislation and that it would be virtually impossible for a transwoman or man to obtain an Algerian passport identifying them as a woman. It just wouldn't happen, she'd be in prison, not at the Olympics.

Testosterone levels are not in themselves a marker of biological sex. The science is clear they tend to be higher in male bodies than female and its a reasonable general rule, but is equally clear that levels vary from person to person and across time. Again, there may be an argument that someone with particularly high levels has an unfair advantage in a sport over someone who doesn't and this becomes an integrity issue, but then ... Have a look at sport generally. It is full of men who have biological advantages over other men.

Finally, Khelif has been boxing and being defeated by other biological women for fucking years, people. By team GB in just the last Olympics, ffs. Maybe don't throw a punch with one fist while leaving your face completely unprotected? Maybe be better at boxing, like loads of women who know one doubts are women have been before you?

 

[Mark Kelly]

32 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

This thread is a depressing read full of complete, to be blunt, bullshit misinformation. I know it will go down like a sack of shit, but you should all be ashamed of yourselves for eagerly eating up misinformation.

Imane Khelif is not a "biological man". She has a vagina and a uterus, and was born with both. I'm not up for any kind of debate with anyone here about what makes someone a woman, it wouldn't go well and isn't what this place should be for, but I would be surprised if anyone felt confident saying being born with a vagina and uterus can still be a bar to being a woman.

The media reporting that men exclusively have XX chromosomes and women exclusively have XY chromosomes is factually incorrect. The IBA have decided as a matter of policy to not admit boxers who have XX chromosomes into the sport. Again I will not debate the rights or wrongs of that here and can potentially see a justification in that competitive sport requires some form of tiering to protect its integrity. But the IBA is not an authority on biology or an arbiter of gender. It has other criteria it bars boxers for. And it is worth noting has been heavily criticised and discredited for some of its practices for a long time.

The IOC have a different policy, which is guided by identified sex on a passport. It is worth noting Algeria has incredibly restrictive legislation and that it would be virtually impossible for a transwoman or man to obtain an Algerian passport identifying them as a woman. It just wouldn't happen, she'd be in prison, not at the Olympics.

Testosterone levels are not in themselves a marker of biological sex. The science is clear they tend to be higher in male bodies than female and its a reasonable general rule, but is equally clear that levels vary from person to person and across time. Again, there may be an argument that someone with particularly high levels has an unfair advantage in a sport over someone who doesn't and this becomes an integrity issue, but then ... Have a look at sport generally. It is full of men who have biological advantages over other men.

Finally, Khelif has been boxing and being defeated by other biological women for fucking years, people. By team GB in just the last Olympics, ffs. Maybe don't throw a punch with one fist while leaving your face completely unprotected? Maybe be better at boxing, like loads of women who know one doubts are women have been before you?

 

Hands up ! I was duped and thought it was awful , and to be honest I'm not a lover of women fighting anyone , it just feels wrong to me . 

it came from the right place from me even if it was misguided . 

[Bob Singleton]

39 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

This thread is a depressing read full of complete, to be blunt, bullshit misinformation.

[SNIP]

 

I was about to post something in similar vein.

She was born female. She comes from a country where being transgender is illegal. She has lost 9 of her 50 odd bouts (not counting those where she was later disqualified after spurious IBA tests), so other women HAVE managed to beat her in the ring.

Can't say I'm surprised at those who posted earlier without bothering to fact-check. It's the usual suspects.

[thevelourfog]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Hands up ! I was duped and thought it was awful , and to be honest I'm not a lover of women fighting anyone , it just feels wrong to me . 

it came from the right place from me even if it was misguided . 

I can get that, I've been suckered in by bullshit lies and rhetoric many times and I am sure will be again but on this topic I would really, really implore you to always be dubious of any narrative taking hold on social media, and even the mainstream press. This is one of the real dangers of transphobia, eventually it stops being about "you were born a man so can't be a woman" and becomes "well, you weren't born the right kind of woman".

Depressing for me to contrast what I've seen of the press/public response to this compared to there being a literal rapist/paedophile at the Olympics. I know who and what I consider to be the risk to women's safety to be.

[Mark Kelly]

18 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

I can get that, I've been suckered in by bullshit lies and rhetoric many times and I am sure will be again but on this topic I would really, really implore you to always be dubious of any narrative taking hold on social media, and even the mainstream press. This is one of the real dangers of transphobia, eventually it stops being about "you were born a man so can't be a woman" and becomes "well, you weren't born the right kind of woman".

Depressing for me to contrast what I've seen of the press/public response to this compared to there being a literal rapist/paedophile at the Olympics. I know who and what I consider to be the risk to women's safety to be.

To be honest I agree.

I've seen so much misinformation and misdirection in the last few days that I'm trying not to react to anything as 24 hours later you get mugged off completely