NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 15 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Still not as bad as his performance in the cup final when we played Arsenal I put down a Chelsea win, then just seen that Taylor is the ref. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 If Sanchez is deemed first choice and starts we may as well pack our bags and wait for the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, exiledblue said: If Sanchez is deemed first choice and starts we may as well pack our bags and wait for the next season. we were no better with Petrovic last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 18 minutes ago, paulw66 said: we were no better with Petrovic last year. i felt a lot more assured with Petrovic, what about Jorgensen, I want to see what he has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, exiledblue said: If Sanchez is deemed first choice and starts we may as well pack our bags and wait for the next season. We’ve got seven keepers . If he’s top of that list God help number seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, paulw66 said: we were no better with Petrovic last year. Petrovic had a wobble after a great start but caught the brain fart virus for a while , but generally speaking he was far more assured and calm. Do you feel more confident with Sanchez in goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 At least I know where I will stay if I’m passing through Singapore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: Petrovic had a wobble after a great start but caught the brain fart virus for a while , but generally speaking he was far more assured and calm. Do you feel more confident with Sanchez in goal? I think they both had different weaknesses. Neither are top class. Sanchez always makes me nervous with the ball at his feet, but I can only think of the Rice goal at SB that was a howler. Petrovic took less chances with his feet, but he let in a few goals that he really should have saved, and easily. Burnley and Sheffield United were two that spring to mind, as absolute shockers. The Garnacho header at SB was appalling decision making. Sanchez at least has a bit of extra height. Incidentally the whoscored.com site has Sanchez down at an average of 6.65 and Petrovic at 6.62 in the PL last season, so nothing in it. Just amazed really that some (not saying you) have this perception that Petrovic was miles better. I think he had the benefit of being anyone but Sanchez. Edited August 15 by paulw66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, paulw66 said: I think they both had different weaknesses. Neither are top class. Sanchez always makes me nervous with the ball at his feet, but I can only think of the Rice goal at SB that was a howler. Petrovic took less chances with his feet, but he let in a few goals that he really should have saved, and easily. Burnley and Sheffield United were two that spring to mind, as absolute shockers. The Garnacho header at SB was appalling decision making. Sanchez at least has a bit of extra height. Incidentally the whoscored.com site has Sanchez down at an average of 6.65 and Petrovic at 6.62 in the PL last season, so nothing in it. Just amazed really that some (not saying you) have this perception that Petrovic was miles better. I think he had the benefit of being anyone but Sanchez. I think for me the perception came when Sanchez was injured. He had just had a series of bad errors coupled with bad results. Petrovic came in and the whole thing looked different and felt different. I don’t know stats at that point but it was a very real difference ( to my eyes anyway). But yes neither are top keepers , I just feel one is better than the other. We should really be having a good look at the new guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I cant see Jackson starting for this match. Will Guiu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, NoblyBobly said: At least I know where I will stay if I’m passing through Singapore! Going to be there in November……….but only for 2 x sets of about 4 to 5 hours as I’m catching connecting flights to and from Brisbane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 50 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: I think for me the perception came when Sanchez was injured. He had just had a series of bad errors coupled with bad results. Petrovic came in and the whole thing looked different and felt different. I don’t know stats at that point but it was a very real difference ( to my eyes anyway). But yes neither are top keepers , I just feel one is better than the other. We should really be having a good look at the new guy. Sanchez got injured at Everton. Petrovic had the fortune to then have Sheff Utd, Wolves, Palace, Luton, Fulham as his first 5 starts. That's perception, IMO as before we had just lost 3 away games on the bounce at Everton, Man Utd and Newcastle. Edit - with Sanchez we averaged 1.61 goals against. With Petrovic 1.69. It's negligible. Going by final league position, Sanchez played against better teams overall. (average 10 versus 11.4) Edited August 15 by paulw66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 19 minutes ago, paulw66 said: Sanchez got injured at Everton. Petrovic had the fortune to then have Sheff Utd, Wolves, Palace, Luton, Fulham as his first 5 starts. That's perception, IMO as before we had just lost 3 away games on the bounce at Everton, Man Utd and Newcastle. Edit - with Sanchez we averaged 1.61 goals against. With Petrovic 1.69. It's negligible. Going by final league position, Sanchez played against better teams overall. (average 10 versus 11.4) Tbh Sanchez was capable of his dribbling out the ball and failing, or passing to oppo to the opponent regardless of opponent. We were giving away stupid goals and not making teams even play well. If you concede from a good goal, or even a goal where you think the keeper could maybe have done better, it’s less infuriating. Happens to every keeper I expect, no one is fault free. Maybe Sanchez saved more shots, but I focus more on those unforgivable errors that could totally be avoided. In that category Sanchez wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 3 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: Tbh Sanchez was capable of his dribbling out the ball and failing, or passing to oppo to the opponent regardless of opponent. We were giving away stupid goals and not making teams even play well. If you concede from a good goal, or even a goal where you think the keeper could maybe have done better, it’s less infuriating. Happens to every keeper I expect, no one is fault free. Maybe Sanchez saved more shots, but I focus more on those unforgivable errors that could totally be avoided. In that category Sanchez wins. Yeah, I think that is the crux of it. Sanchez's errors were more horrific, and therefore appeared that he made more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 9 minutes ago, paulw66 said: Yeah, I think that is the crux of it. Sanchez's errors were more horrific, and therefore appeared that he made more. And I think it must be disheartening for the other players too when they maybe have got themselves in a winning position only to concede a crazy goal. If it’s a goal where maybe the keeper was badly positioned or could have got down quicker it’s not so totally obvious on field. But sometimes it must been soul destroying with Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 6 hours ago, exiledblue said: If Sanchez is deemed first choice and starts we may as well pack our bags and wait for the next season. He's looked good in pre-season, let down by the defenders on a couple of occasions. Made a lot of excellent instinctive saves that could easily have resulted in goals. Also, and particularly against Club America, his footwork was excellent and he looked like an extra outfield player when we were playing out from the back. I don't get the hatred on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, NoblyBobly said: And I think it must be disheartening for the other players too when they maybe have got themselves in a winning position only to concede a crazy goal. If it’s a goal where maybe the keeper was badly positioned or could have got down quicker it’s not so totally obvious on field. But sometimes it must been soul destroying with Sanchez. We too often played backwards last season which meant keepers were often put under pressure to play balls the defenders should have already played. I also know its the fashion to take these stupid short goal kicks where a keeper will sometimes pass it to the defender only a few feet away (or worse visa versa). It just invites unwanted pressure and sometimes the elememnt of surprise (a kick upfield) would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledblue Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 46 minutes ago, Ham said: He's looked good in pre-season, let down by the defenders on a couple of occasions. Made a lot of excellent instinctive saves that could easily have resulted in goals. Also, and particularly against Club America, his footwork was excellent and he looked like an extra outfield player when we were playing out from the back. I don't get the hatred on here. Not sure its hatred, thats resrved for Liverpool and Spurs, but it is a feeling he is not the best solution amongst the 7 or so options. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 9 minutes ago, exiledblue said: We too often played backwards last season which meant keepers were often put under pressure to play balls the defenders should have already played. I also know its the fashion to take these stupid short goal kicks where a keeper will sometimes pass it to the defender only a few feet away (or worse visa versa). It just invites unwanted pressure and sometimes the elememnt of surprise (a kick upfield) would be better I couldn’t agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ham said: He's looked good in pre-season, let down by the defenders on a couple of occasions. Made a lot of excellent instinctive saves that could easily have resulted in goals. Also, and particularly against Club America, his footwork was excellent and he looked like an extra outfield player when we were playing out from the back. I don't get the hatred on here. His shot-stopping is probably the best part of his skill-sets. He's hesitant and changes his mind mid-action, he puts defenders on edge. I've played with keepers with the same trait and they're a nightmare to play with. Did it again in the friendly with Inter on Sunday, but got saved by the referee given us an iffy free-kick. Started to come for a through ball, defender sees him coming and backs off a yard, then so did Sanchez - leaving the attacker free on goal. It was the keeper's ball 100 % . Saw him do it last season, more than once and commented then also. Petrovic is by far the more decisive of the two Edited August 15 by east lower 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 57 minutes ago, Ham said: He's looked good in pre-season, let down by the defenders on a couple of occasions. Made a lot of excellent instinctive saves that could easily have resulted in goals. Also, and particularly against Club America, his footwork was excellent and he looked like an extra outfield player when we were playing out from the back. I don't get the hatred on here. No incitement to hated on CFCnet Ham ( it can get you locked up!) It’s entirely possible that he can improve , because the mistakes he was making are all fixable. Someone tell him he’s not the secret love child of Charlie Cook and Pat Nevin, and when in doubt or under pressure, just hoof it. And stop making risky 30 yards balls into midfield that can be intercepted and put us in trouble. If he cuts that out he can be a decent keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 30 minutes ago, east lower said: His shot-stopping is probably the best part of his skill-sets. He's hesitant and changes his mind mid-action, he puts defenders on edge. I've played with keepers with the same trait and they're a nightmare to play with. Did it again in the friendly with Inter on Sunday, but got saved by the referee given us an iffy free-kick. Started to come for a through ball, defender sees him coming and backs off a yard, then so did Sanchez - leaving the attacker free on goal. It was the keeper's ball 100 % . Saw him do it last season, more than once and commented then also. Petrovic is by far the more decisive of the two Petrovic is atrocious at crosses. That puts the defence on edge at every set piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertles86 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Taylor reffing us again, Haaland fit, and we'll probably play a high line. So I'm going 1-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 6 minutes ago, bertles86 said: Taylor reffing us again, Haaland fit, and we'll probably play a high line. So I'm going 1-5. I'm hoping we'll have learnt from the pre-season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 4 minutes ago, Ham said: I'm hoping we'll have learnt from the pre-season game. Rofl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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