ROTG Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 16 hours ago, boratsbrother said: No question that on top form Mason is worth a place in a title challenging level team! However, he has become a very inconsistent player. His short passing has become sloppy, either under or over hitting them. His touch is erratic too as is shooting. To get back to being contenders again we need players who are very consistently at a 7-8 out of 10 level and sometimes hitting 9 or 10. All too often these days Mason is a 6 and sometimes a 7 or 8 which isn't really good enough. Probably down to him be knackered for being a starter in nearly every game over the past three seasons and the previous season at Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 16 hours ago, boratsbrother said: No question that on top form Mason is worth a place in a title challenging level team! However, he has become a very inconsistent player. His short passing has become sloppy, either under or over hitting them. His touch is erratic too as is shooting. To get back to being contenders again we need players who are very consistently at a 7-8 out of 10 level and sometimes hitting 9 or 10. All too often these days Mason is a 6 and sometimes a 7 or 8 which isn't really good enough. I agree with this and also notice his set pieces have often been atrocious more often than not. Our best player under Lampard and one of the best in TT's first season though seems to be less motivated and with his skill set and athletic profile unless he picks up his game will not be able to compete with the newcomers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 hours ago, ROTG said: Probably down to him be knackered for being a starter in nearly every game over the past three seasons and the previous season at Derby Yes, he has probably played too much high level football for someone of his age. Not just the amount of games, but also his high energy style of play has worn him out. Hope he takes full advantage of the summer break, has a nice holiday then puts his feet up and comes back next season mentally and physically refreshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 4 hours ago, boratsbrother said: Yes, he has probably played too much high level football for someone of his age. Not just the amount of games, but also his high energy style of play has worn him out. Hope he takes full advantage of the summer break, has a nice holiday then puts his feet up and comes back next season mentally and physically refreshed. This is something I've said would happen to a lot of current generation players. The high pressing era, especially in the Premier League, is really going to shorten quite a few careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 09/02/2023 at 05:43, Michael Tucker said: His team mates, you mean, Kev? Despite what some here seem to think, he's no Frank Lampard. Not even close. Nobody ever said Mount was close to Lampard.Mount should be playing in the same sort of role as Lampard and not in some sort of concocted forward role that doesn't play to his strengths. How do you think Lampard would have performed with this bunch?.Probably like he performed with the England team imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, kev61 said: Nobody ever said Mount was close to Lampard. That's good then, because he's not in the same class. Not even close. 20 minutes ago, kev61 said: How do you think Lampard would have performed with this bunch?.Probably like he performed with the England team imo. You've been reading too many newspapers, Kev. The biggest factor in Lamp's England performances was named Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 39 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said: The biggest factor in Lamp's England performances was named Gerrard. You've got me on the that one Michael? If I interpret correctly - Gerrard somehow restricted Lampard in his performances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, kev61 said: if I interpret correctly - Gerrard somehow restricted Lampard in his performances? Lampard had to fit in around (and take a back seat to) StevieMe who was God's gift to football, apparently. It stopped Lamps playing to his strengths. Discussed everywhere at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 41 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said: Lampard had to fit in around (and take a back seat to) StevieMe who was God's gift to football, apparently. It stopped Lamps playing to his strengths. Discussed everywhere at the time. I thought it was just England had a shit manager.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, kev61 said: I thought it was just England had a shit manager.? Well that didn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holymoly Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 It's a tough one, his mates at the club are now on big money but Mason is now subject to the new policy of longer contracts and lower wages. Yes he's been Chelsea since he was in promary school but he's a Southampton supporter at heart so I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going to Pool, City or United where he will get the 300k a week he's looking for. Whereupon the club will lose yet another part of its identity in my book. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, Holymoly said: It's a tough one, his mates at the club are now on big money but Mason is now subject to the new policy of longer contracts and lower wages. Yes he's been Chelsea since he was in promary school but he's a Southampton supporter at heart so I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going to Pool, City or United where he will get the 300k a week he's looking for. Whereupon the club will lose yet another part of its identity in my book. Don't let him see you call him a Southampton fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Ham said: Don't let him see you call him a Southampton fan. Isn't he a Pompey fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Just now, Mark Kelly said: Isn't he a Pompey fan? Yep. Always made a point of winding up the Southampton fans (apart from this year of course 🙈) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankLampard8 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Understanding the club, what it stands for, the standards required and the supporters is quality of its own. It's not enough without delivering on the pitch but Mase has been a shining light until recently. I do fear we end up with essentially a whole new squad soon with no identity or connection to the past successes of the club - we will lose a lot by selling Mount and Azpilicueta. Gallagher to a lesser extent too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneB Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 I can’t bear this conversation 🙉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, FrankLampard8 said: Understanding the club, what it stands for, the standards required and the supporters is quality of its own. It's not enough without delivering on the pitch but Mase has been a shining light until recently. I do fear we end up with essentially a whole new squad soon with no identity or connection to the past successes of the club - we will lose a lot by selling Mount and Azpilicueta. Gallagher to a lesser extent too. Would also send out the wrong message to the academy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankLampard8 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ham said: Would also send out the wrong message to the academy. Yes and no. I don't think Mount is the cautionary tale for the academy boys - if anything he is aspirational. I'm sure they would all take 3 or 4 years at Chelsea, 2 POTY awards and a Champions League before moving on to another massive Premier league club on huge wages that set them up for life. In fact it's pretty much the dream. Someone like Hudson-Odoi is much more of a cautionary tale if the motive is to play football but even he has played for England and is set for life given the huge wages we have paid him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 41 minutes ago, JaneB said: I can’t bear this conversation 🙉 I'm sure it'll sort itself out over time. Mind you, I also thought they'd have cottoned onto Potter by now so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiswickblue Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 As well as being run into the ground, Mount's on-pitch performances have seemed to suffer due to the switch to a regular 4231, much as happened to Lampard in his last few years at the club. Mount shouldn't be playing wide left as he has done recently, and isn't as well suited to playing no.10 as Felix. Given that Mount will be our player next season, unlike Felix, and we also have Gallagher and Chukwuemeka that would be better served playing in a formation with no.8s, I think we need to change our setup in the centre of midfield and attack - it's not as if the current plan with Enzo and RLC deep and Felix/Havertz ahead of them has actually produced anything other than one goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Isn't he a Pompey fan? As an ex Pompey boy, anyone from Portsmouth who supports that vile lot up Southampton water is likely to be convinced of the error of his ways in a somewhat persuasive manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Still got moves https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYfSyqd9/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ham said: Still got moves Hmmmm. Not good ones though🤭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Kelly Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bones said: If that's true he's off then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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