JaneB Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 43 minutes ago, Sciatika said: Presumably, the new set piece specialist will become a member of the coach's staff because, otherwise, I can't see it working out too well. Well yes but maybe the coach doesn’t want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneB Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 22 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Leave it out Jane there's only about twelve of them Thank you Mark for understanding what I’m trying to say, however ill informed I am. I can’t imagine SAF having a set piece specialist added to his staff without his say so 😡 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, JaneB said: Well yes but why not sack the manager and his staff and start again…..or maybe that’s what they’re doing 🤔 If they sack him, it’s real egg on the faces of the entire recruitment team. They were the ones who informed the fans that after Potter debacle, they would be doing an in dept research and then interview process, to ensure the next appointment was the right fit for the club and their vision of project Chelsea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 6 hours ago, ROTG said: There are a lot more duds from todd & eggy's £1b splurge that should be ahead of him in the exit door, but hey a proven international who's played at the highest level for a majority of his career is an easy target, same as the other one who was sent to Coventry. Maybe it is the case everyone is coming around to the new mid table chelsea model of no winners in the squad just saleable assets. BTW if you look Raheem stats between the age of 18 -23, one would suspect he would have been the exact profile the data analysts are looking to recruit for the club. Its a funny old game Sigh...not just an easy target ROTG...or a lazy one....not worth the long term as he doesn't..inmho...provide the experience and stability to the side his "profile" indicates he should...I don't think he's useless and really wanted him to do well but unless he ups a gear,,which his record shows he can only do occasionally best he moves on...he ain't getting younger and his pace is fading. Too many calm voices questioning his worth,,,not just a grumbling OG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, ROTG said: If they sack him, it’s real egg on the faces of the entire recruitment team. They were the ones who informed the fans that after Potter debacle, they would be doing an in dept research and then interview process, to ensure the next appointment was the right fit for the club and their vision of project Chelsea. You really are clothing at something to have a pop at here. Every managerial appointment would have involved in depth research and I doubt any manager that has ever been employed was done so because the club thought it wasn't a good fit. Some just don't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, paulw66 said: What is mad about appointing a set piece specialist? The coach should be bring in coaching persons or specialists not the scouts “he must have hit some kind hire me on the clubs algorithm” mind you at Chelsea everything is arse about face, hence a team put together by scouts. Maybe Thomas Frank is next on the list of persons to hire 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 6 minutes ago, martin1905 said: You really are clothing at something to have a pop at here. Every managerial appointment would have involved in depth research and I doubt any manager that has ever been employed was done so because the club thought it wasn't a good fit. Some just don't work out. Some just walk away during the interview process, Enrique and Negalsmann come to mind. I guess projects and taking direction from a team of scouts on your job doesn’t feel the right fit to some. Edited March 14 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 33 minutes ago, JaneB said: Thank you Mark for understanding what I’m trying to say, however ill informed I am. I can’t imagine SAF having a set piece specialist added to his staff without his say so 😡 8 minutes ago, ROTG said: The coach should be bring in coaching persons or specialists not the scouts “he must have hit some kind hire me on the clubs algorithm” mind you at Chelsea everything is arse about face, hence a team put together by scouts. Maybe Thomas Frank is next on the list of persons to hire 😀 In answer to both, we don't know what conversations have gone on behind closed doors. Perhaps Poch is in full agreement? There is nothing in that article to suggest otherwise. We had Anthony Barry up until fairly recently, and presumably this guy is his replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 38 minutes ago, JaneB said: Well yes but maybe the coach doesn’t want him. and maybe he does? we can all play a guessing game, but nobody knows. It is much more interesting for the DM to say Poch doesn't want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, martin1905 said: Some just don't work out. Don’t you think two on the bounce by this regime is slightly worrying or is it more the case of the playing staff not being at a very high level? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 26 minutes ago, chara said: Sigh...not just an easy target ROTG...or a lazy one....not worth the long term as he doesn't..inmho...provide the experience and stability to the side his "profile" indicates he should...I don't think he's useless and really wanted him to do well but unless he ups a gear,,which his record shows he can only do occasionally best he moves on...he ain't getting younger and his pace is fading. Too many calm voices questioning his worth,,,not just a grumbling OG! I doubt when he signed up, within 12 a majority of the senior playing staff were going to be pumped to be replaced by a bunch of lower level players. I don’t think Raheem is a modern day Le Tisser. As for the experience and stability quite, that must also apply to silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, ROTG said: I doubt when he signed up, within 12 a majority of the senior playing staff were going to be pumped to be replaced by a bunch of lower level players. I don’t think Raheem is a modern day Le Tisser. As for the experience and stability quite, that must also apply to silva. I'd be more worried about a highly paid senior player being regularly outperformed by a bunch of lower level players personally 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Sterling has scored 17 league goals in one and three quarters of a season. Scored less than extremely raw and inexperienced Jackson. As I said in a previous post, for £300k a week, he has been every bit as big a waste of money as Lukaku was for us. Saving that 300k a week and maybe getting 25-30 million for him would be a very good start to our dealings this summer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 London is Blue Podcast is doing an hour interview with Matt Law, who has information on: The structure of the ownership and management The New CEO The relationship with Saudi Pro League Sponsorships Summer Activity and so on Summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandproud Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 hours ago, JaneB said: Because the manager and his staff should be covering this. And there are also too many people in dugouts who have no business there. Only the head coach/manager, his assistant, 1st team coach and physios should be in the dugout, not every Tom Dick and Harry. Set piece coaches are utter nonsense, that's the job for the managers. And don't get me started on throw in coaches! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, blueandproud said: And there are also too many people in dugouts who have no business there. Only the head coach/manager, his assistant, 1st team coach and physios should be in the dugout, not every Tom Dick and Harry. Set piece coaches are utter nonsense, that's the job for the managers. And don't get me started on throw in coaches! Mind you @blueandproud There is a good case for a hairstyle/tattoo coach and I'm sure a boot lace coach would have a great impact on pregame moral and help get the squad in the right frame of mind before training. Innovation, my friend, that should be our watch word! 👨🔬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: I'd be more worried about a highly paid senior player being regularly outperformed by a bunch of lower level players personally I doubt he is, when you look at how many of the other highly paid players drawing in excess of £100k per week have not kicked a ball this season, therefore one would say his wages are not really an issue As for being out performed probably only CP has out continually performed him this season. Edited March 14 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, ROTG said: I doubt he is, when you look at how many of the other highly paid players drawing in excess of £100k per week have not kicked a ball this season, therefore one would say his wages are not really an issue We've played 27 league games so his 300k is about £8m. That works out at £1million per goal and yet that's not a problem🤔 You pay that kind of wage for elite players who make a very significant difference to a team in whatever position they play. For what Sterling has done for us he should be one of those on a 100k or less imho. Btw. Why are you continually defending two hugely overrated, massively overpaid players who've done zilch to improve the team during their time here, but continually snipe at young, unproven players trying to make their way at Chelsea? The very players we should be encouraging! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 54 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: We've played 27 league games so his 300k is about £8m. That works out at £1million per goal and yet that's not a problem🤔 How much have W Forfana, Nkunku & Latvia to name a few have earned over those 27 games? Edited March 14 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 55 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: Btw. Why are you continually defending two hugely overrated, massively overpaid players who've done zilch to improve the team during their time here, but continually snipe at young, unproven players trying to make their way at Chelsea? The very players we should be encouraging! Both are serial winners and are the type of players you have in a squad if you want success as both have proven at their previous clubs. Whereas the club have now gone down the route of compiling a squad made up by either lazy scouts taking players and targets from their previous employers Or owners on ego trips and giving them pensions contracts, and now seem to be heading to getting coach number 2 removed in less than 18 months. As for the sniping, it more the case of the obvious that most of the recruits “who are not as young as some try to hide behind” from the past two transfer windows will not be good enough to play in a top 4 team. On paper Chelsea maybe a 70pts squad, however reality is a 50pts squad as the league table does lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Set-pieces: Why are they so important? What is the actual role as a specified coach? How much can they improve a team? Lets delve into the importance of set-pieces.... LUKE RUSHBROOK MAR 14 READ IN APP , Today I am taking a look at how important set-pieces are to a team and how much they can elevate a team. So far this season Chelsea rank 11th for both scoring from and conceding from set pieces, scoring 7 goals and also conceding 7 goals, effectively they cancel each other out, which is not good. A set-piece should be a vital tool that clubs use to to maximise attacking chances and the best teams score multiple goals from them per season and barely concede from them. If you look at Manchester City, they have scored 11 and conceded just 2, which is a plus 9 for them from set-pieces in the league so far this season. Arsenal have the best different in the league of plus 13, conceding 5 and scoring 18!! That is the main reason they stayed in the title race through the back of 2023, when there attackers couldn’t score, the team stepped up and used set pieces to their advantage. Over the last few seasons we have averaged around plus 5/6 goals scored from set-pieces, which isn’t a bad average but to really elevate and basically score more goals we need to be doubling that average. The obvious way to do that is to higher a ‘set-piece specialist’ but also ensure you have enough players of a decent height and physical presence in order to make the most of them. So now we know that Chelsea have hired Bernardo Cueva, starting from this summer, we have hired a set-piece specialist. That is part one ticked off the list. I think from reviewing him he is an experienced analyst who now specialises in set-pieces. Brentford’s goal scoring figures since Cueva has been a specialist coach have progressed nicely, going from 12 to 18 goals per season and going from conceding 15 to conceding 10-12. They still only average a plus of around 5 per season currently but that has changed from an average of minus 2/3 per season in Cueva’s 2 full seasons so far. Each season Cueva has managed to slightly change the figures in a positive manner, which to me is excellent, it means he is innovative and can continue to create ideas, he has managed to strengthen them defensively whilst make them more potent from attacking set pieces. His main job is to keep being creative, keep innovating whilst also keeping the defensive side solid. This article is an excellent read on how Brentford made the most of set-pieces and the varying styles of set-pieces they used in the 2022/23 season. https://totalfootballanalysis.com/set-piece-analysis/dissecting-brentford-brilliant-corner-routines-2022-23-set-piece-analysis-tactics I am happy with the appointment and think that he will continue to improve and innovate set-pieces and hopefully help us make the most of attacking set-pieces and solidify us defensively. Thanks for reading Luke Rushbrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 40 minutes ago, ROTG said: How much have W Forfana, Nkunku & Latvia to name a few have earned over those 27 games? I don't think they chose to be injured. I'm sure they'd have been superb if not injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, boratsbrother said: We've played 27 league games so his 300k is about £8m. That works out at £1million per goal and yet that's not a problem🤔 You pay that kind of wage for elite players who make a very significant difference to a team in whatever position they play. For what Sterling has done for us he should be one of those on a 100k or less imho. Btw. Why are you continually defending two hugely overrated, massively overpaid players who've done zilch to improve the team during their time here, but continually snipe at young, unproven players trying to make their way at Chelsea? The very players we should be encouraging! In fairness teams also pay players for what they've done previously, and then hope that can be replicated once signed. Sterling at Man City, irrespective of opinions, was a consistent scorer and provider. 292 appearances under Pep, 120 goals and 85 assists. He's behind only Aguero and Messi for the most goals under his management, and behind only KdB and Messi for assists. That's ultimately why he was already on £320k or so there, then received a small increase on that to come here to a weaker and worse performing side in the same division during what is often considered ones prime years. The bigger issue with Sterling is that he's not really a leader or suited as being the focal point of an attack, he's a solid complimentary piece when you have other good quality attackers in support, which we don't have. Thus for us he doesn't represent great value for what he earns. If he was on half of what he earned and still cost us the same sort of transfer fee his performances and output would be more vindicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, Ham said: I don't think they chose to be injured. I'm sure they'd have been superb if not injured. No disagreeing Ham, However their recruitment must be deemed as poor, especially as all those players had previous history with injuries, especially with James & Chillwell getting a lot of clogg on here for their injury history. One can only hope they get a runout next season and make me eat humble pie 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 hours ago, JaneB said: Well yes but maybe the coach doesn’t want him. The new Manager for next year might want him though... And whatever the view point is, we clearly need to improve on set-pieces in both penalty areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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