My Blood Is Blue Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 43 minutes ago, FrankLampard8 said: I've always had the impression that Jody was a really good coach and had my suspicions that behind the scenes he was a lot to do with the coaching/tactics and Lampard was the figure head and dealt with the players. I don't disagree with him being a good coach, but he had no more experience than Frank at coaching a team at our level and so when things got tricky, Frank didn't have the experienced number 2 to turn to for advice from someone based on their previous experience. Steve Holland would have been the ideal assistant coach for Frank, IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Looks like Barry will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 hours ago, My Blood Is Blue said: Frank didn't have the experienced number 2 to turn to for advice from someone based on their previous experience. He had Paul clement at Everton and it made no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 lol, one of the few we didn't fire and they're off for a better offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 hour ago, thevelourfog said: lol, one of the few we didn't fire and they're off for a better offer. There is a certain comedic angle to it all now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 3 hours ago, xceleryx said: Looks like Barry will be gone. Mark was right though when he said that our set pieces in both halves of the pitch had never been worse than when we had Barry as set piece coach. See ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just now, Ham said: Mark was right though when he said that our set pieces in both halves of the pitch had never been worse than when we had Barry as set piece coach. See ya! To be honest I remember thinking he wasn't all that soon after Lampard employed him as we got collectively worse . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ham said: Mark was right though when he said that our set pieces in both halves of the pitch had never been worse than when we had Barry as set piece coach. See ya! If the release fee is, what was it, £120m? We're absolutely laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lump Of Celery Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Ham said: Mark was right though when he said that our set pieces in both halves of the pitch had never been worse than when we had Barry as set piece coach. See ya! If you read what Bob posted on the previous page AB is a specialist in set pieces in the sense he did a scientific study on an entire season of PL football and how retaining possession from throw ins could account for a large percentage of games etc. I'm not sure he is here specifically training our set pieces only. He is actually highly regarded and has turned down couple of Championship or League One management positions during his time here. I suspect he will be moving into management in the near future anyway, hope he is not a big loss and he was one of the only connections to the previous era (which is crazy considering we are in the first season of the new one!) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Over simplistic maybe...but...Barry involved in failed SFL season..Barry involved in successful TT period...Barry involved in failed GP season. Not an argument regarding why the good/bad periods but seems that no real influence and on the coattails of the current coach at any time. Question... have Chelsea missed any "back room" coaches over the years.?..if so name... if not missed... name. Just asking for a friend, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, chara said: Over simplistic maybe...but...Barry involved in failed SFL season..Barry involved in successful TT period...Barry involved in failed GP season. Not an argument regarding why the good/bad periods but seems that no real influence and on the coattails of the current coach at any time. Question... have Chelsea missed any "back room" coaches over the years.?..if so name... if not missed... name. Just asking for a friend, I think when Butch got sacked it made a difference from memory . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneB Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, chara said: Over simplistic maybe...but...Barry involved in failed SFL season..Barry involved in successful TT period...Barry involved in failed GP season. Not an argument regarding why the good/bad periods but seems that no real influence and on the coattails of the current coach at any time. Question... have Chelsea missed any "back room" coaches over the years.?..if so name... if not missed... name. Just asking for a friend, STEVE HOLLAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I've just read Nagelsmann is learning English so he can turn Spurs down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: I've just read Nagelsmann is learning English so he can turn Spurs down. ❝Tott 'n 'am??? You're 'avin a larfffff!!!❞ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Ham said: Mark was right though when he said that our set pieces in both halves of the pitch had never been worse than when we had Barry as set piece coach. See ya! As my fellow stalky friend @Lump Of Celery went and elaborated on further, I don't believe Barry was here personally handling set pieces solely, or even by himself at that. A manager still largely influences how he wants his side to defend or attack set pieces, so it's no surprise that we looked poor here under Lampard, improved under Tuchel, then regressed again under Potter. I remember when Benitez was manager of Liverpool there was often complaints about his zonal setup at set pieces, something that changed later on once he left. This is something that can be seen between other managers also, so for me the manager still has a large stay in this area. Also, one does have to factor in the personnel on hand that are involved in any set piece. For example we've lost Alonso, quite a prominent figure for us with his height and size as a fullback/wingback creating mismatches and now instead have Cucurella or Chilwell, smaller less aerially dominant players. Just as we lost Rudiger and replaced him with Koulibaly, a player with size but isn't necessarily as strong in the air either. Then there's just some players that have that knack through their movement, timing, reading of the play, etc. Thiago Silva being a current example of a player that always find a way to get onto a ball even though he's not the most physically imposing defender. All of this has some type of influence, be it positively or negatively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 17 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: I think when Butch got sacked it made a difference from memory . It certainly did. The club seemed to do their best to break Ancelotti's spirit after that Double season. Sold about 6 experienced internationals and replaced with Benayoun and a young, raw Ramires and then sacked his no.2 before eventually sacking the man himself. Still scratching my head over that one tbh. 17 hours ago, JaneB said: STEVE HOLLAND Definitely. One wonders if that second season under Conte goes quite so toxic if Holland was still around to be a more pragmatic and steadying person on the training pitch? Definitely someone we struggled to replace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bert19 said: It certainly did. The club seemed to do their best to break Ancelotti's spirit after that Double season. Sold about 6 experienced internationals and replaced with Benayoun and a young, raw Ramires and then sacked his no.2 before eventually sacking the man himself. Still scratching my head over that one tbh. I still believe Ancelotti was the one Roman got wrong. I remember when Wilkins got sacked and it seemed to really unsteady the ship and for whatever reason Roman had decided Carlo was no longer his man. Ancelotti is such a good manager and that first season under him is one of my favourite seasons we've ever had domestically - we were unplayable most of the time. He seemed like such a nice honest guy as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, My Blood Is Blue said: I still believe Ancelotti was the one Roman got wrong. I remember when Wilkins got sacked and it seemed to really unsteady the ship and for whatever reason Roman had decided Carlo was no longer his man. Ancelotti is such a good manager and that first season under him is one of my favourite seasons we've ever had domestically - we were unplayable most of the time. He seemed like such a nice honest guy as well. Agree totally. I remember reading that Roman regretted sacking him having been talked into it by Kenyon or Gourlay (I forget which). Having hamstrung him the summer and winter after he won us the Double (and he was only receiving positive feedback from the players), it seemed really odd to punish him for finishing 2nd the year after. He was probably the man that should have been put in charge of refreshing that squad properly. His record since speaks for itself too, he's done some outstanding things across Europe and seems loved by players. I'd be banging his door down if he really is leaving Madrid this summer. Though thinking about it, without the sequence of events that we had, we wouldn't have had 19th May 2012. So maybe i'm wrong 😄 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Todays rumours: Liverpool now interested in signing Levi Colwill Mason Mount to reunite with TT at Bayern Munich Hopefully just the usual noise from the media but the Mount one is preferable to seeing him go to another Prem team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Some time after the sacking, there were whispers Wilkins was having personal struggles, potentially with drink. No idea if they were true but would have applied some logic to what seemed a bizarrely unnecessary decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Some time after the sacking, there were whispers Wilkins was having personal struggles, potentially with drink. No idea if they were true but would have applied some logic to what seemed a bizarrely unnecessary decision. Wasn't there a story about Ray telling an official of the club's wife that her husband was having an affair ? Ray was then let go and the rumours about drinking came out , not sure what the truth is in any of it to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, thevelourfog said: Some time after the sacking, there were whispers Wilkins was having personal struggles, potentially with drink. No idea if they were true but would have applied some logic to what seemed a bizarrely unnecessary decision. The rumour i heard at the time was about Ray being at a high-profile club event, worse for wear and called Gourlay out about his knowledge of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Darren Lewis creaming his pants talking about the arse on sky sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, ROTG said: Darren Lewis creaming his pants talking about the arse on sky sports He would do, he's one of theirs. Smarmy git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, east lower said: He would do, he's one of theirs. Smarmy git. Neither him or Melissa Reddy would condemn potter when talking about Chelsea result yesterday, instead putting their focus on TB and his board. GP is the media darling who smells of roses regardless of the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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