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[chara]

@Alex,,,I think (hope)you meant  blackmail on the players not against. Seemed pretty clear cut at the time even allowing for possible undercurrents not reported.

Any comment on any possible Chilwell actions is a separate issue.

[Guest Alex]

7 minutes ago, chara said:

@Alex,,,I think (hope)you meant  blackmail on the players not against. Seemed pretty clear cut at the time even allowing for possible undercurrents not reported.

Any comment on any possible Chilwell actions is a separate issue.

@chara, yes she was apparently 'stalking and harassing' them. You can Google it, it's various news outlets...BBC...etc

Edited August 24 by Alex

[Guest Alex]

She was apparently given a suspended prison sentence for 'stalking and harassment'.

[chara]

@Alex...I remember it clearly...it was well documented and covered...appeared clear cut at the time.

Not questioning your  later Chilwell claims but bearing in mind I am a long way away, I don't recall any references (as you say under the radar)

Any actual sources available for perusal? Would be interesting to read.

I don't think Gareth left him out because of off field stuff..injured long'ish term,

[Guest Alex]

https://www.marca.com/en/football/chelsea/2024/04/21/6625233cca4741b66e8b45ab.html

[Guest Alex]

And of course who knows why Southgate made his decisions, we can only speculate, he was selecting Chilwell prior to the Euros though.

Also Southgate did come in to 'reset' England after a bunch of negative media stories (like Stuart Lancaster with the rugby team).

[Guest Alex]

Selection for the national team where there is so much increased scrutiny, could easily lead you to be influenced by negative press. Especially when you're only considering a potential squad player.

Making an equation to rugby, Dannys Care and Cipriani got dropped or ignored for various drink-related indiscretions, despite both being great, while Manu Tuilagi seemed to always get picked when fit, due to being a rampaging monster that would get into any team in the world.

Edited August 24 by Alex

[Ham]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

On a different note about one of our own players, there have been a bunch of stories over the past year about Ben Chilwell contacting girls from OnlyFans that seem to have gone under the radar.

One of which resulted in a blackmailing case against him Gilmour and Mount. The girl was prosecuted for blackmail. Our players were of course victims, but it's not a happy story to be involved with and you do wonder if and how this played into the management's views.

Especially since it seems Chilwell didn't learn his lesson from that though and more recently there were other stories about him contacting another OnlyFans girl.

That sort of behaviour, even if from a legal perspective he's done nothing wrong, is at the least viewed as 'baggage'. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Alex said:

The court case for the first girl was resolved around the time Mount and Gilmour went to Utd and Brighton, while the second story about Chilwell could perhaps have contributed  Southgate's decision not to select him for the Euros and the current attitude to his status in the squad.

Even if any of those is true, why on earth would having a relationship with an only fans girl be anyone else's business and why would that have any bearing on whether Southgate picked him?

[Guest Alex]

To paraphrase you, 'why on earth is this anyone's business' is what I'd have said about that Olympics story you rather unfortunately got involved with.

The first instance, started by Chilwell's messaging to an OnlyFans girl that he invited to a party, eventually led to a stalking and harassment case against her after her threating to contact the players friends and family. The club would 100% have known and been involved with dealing with the situation. That sort of distressing situation can easily affect an employee's mental health. Of course it could very easily just be a coincidence, but none of those involved were in good form during that period. Negative stresses are not good for performance and not everyone can easily compartmentalise the things affecting them.

Then when the whole thing has seemingly finally  been resolved, suddenly you get fresh headlines about Chilwell contacting a new pornstar on OnlyFans, you can only imagine what the management are thinking. To use British understatement, I doubt it's very positive! Baggage is never anything you want, especially relating to porn, and especially going into a big international tournament. You'd also cetainly start wondering what else could come out.

And for some, porn is considered massively unpleasant and upsetting. For example there's a section of American society wanting to ban it and for those involved in making it to be imprisoned. 

Edited August 25 by Alex

[Chelsea_Matt]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

To paraphrase you, 'why on earth is this anyone's business' is what I'd have said about that Olympics story you rather unfortunately got involved with.

The first instance, started by Chilwell's messaging to an OnlyFans girl that he invited to a party, eventually led to a stalking and harassment case against her after her threating to contact the players friends and family. The club would 100% have known and been involved with dealing with the situation. That sort of distressing situation can easily affect an employee's mental health. Of course it could very easily just be a coincidence, but none of those involved were in good form during that period. Negative stresses are not good for performance and not everyone can easily compartmentalise the things affecting them.

Then when the whole thing has seemingly finally  been resolved, suddenly you get fresh headlines about Chilwell contacting a new pornstar on OnlyFans, you can only imagine what the management are thinking. To use British understatement, I doubt it's very positive! Baggage is never anything you want, especially relating to porn, and especially going into a big international tournament. You'd also cetainly start wondering what else could come out.

And for some, porn is considered massively unpleasant and upsetting. For example there's a section of American society wanting to ban it and for those involved in making it to be imprisoned. 

A lot of supposition here - I’d be careful were I you in terms of legalities etc.

[Guest Alex]

13 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said:

A lot of supposition here bro - I’d be careful were I you in terms of legalities etc. 😁👀💀

What you can talk about is what's been been reported in news outlets...These are that Chilwell contacted a girl that was an OnlyFans content creator, a whole unpleasant series of events unfolded that led to her getting a suspended prison sentence.

Then at some point the next year it was reported in the news that he'd again contacted someone.

You're also allowed to have opinions about what's in the news.

To me it seems absolutely normal while supporting an employee through a period of difficulty, seeing them repeat the actions again, you're not going to be very happy.

You make an appointment and you undoubtedly discuss the baggage someone potentially brings and weigh it against their value to the organisation in deciding whether they're worth the risk. 

 

Edited August 25 by Alex

[Ham]

3 hours ago, Alex said:

To paraphrase you, 'why on earth is this anyone's business' is what I'd have said about that Olympics story you rather unfortunately got involved with.

The first instance, started by Chilwell's messaging to an OnlyFans girl that he invited to a party, eventually led to a stalking and harassment case against her after her threating to contact the players friends and family. The club would 100% have known and been involved with dealing with the situation. That sort of distressing situation can easily affect an employee's mental health. Of course it could very easily just be a coincidence, but none of those involved were in good form during that period. Negative stresses are not good for performance and not everyone can easily compartmentalise the things affecting them.

Then when the whole thing has seemingly finally  been resolved, suddenly you get fresh headlines about Chilwell contacting a new pornstar on OnlyFans, you can only imagine what the management are thinking. To use British understatement, I doubt it's very positive! Baggage is never anything you want, especially relating to porn, and especially going into a big international tournament. You'd also cetainly start wondering what else could come out.

And for some, porn is considered massively unpleasant and upsetting. For example there's a section of American society wanting to ban it and for those involved in making it to be imprisoned. 

Firstly, I see no parallels between this and the olympic boxing debate although some supposition was accepted as fact in that debate too, in retrospect.  

You sound like the morality police here.

Chilwell contacted an only fans model and so he deserved to be stalked and blackmailed? 

 

 

[Guest Alex]

In regards to your 'why on earth...is this anyone's business' comment', I wasn't going to accept that considering the shitshow you turned the Olympics thread into. 

Who said anything about 'deserved'?

None of my moral beliefs or opinions  are on display here at all. This obviously isn't a debate about the rights or wrongs of pornography. It was a post about something that at the least would have come into the conversation about Chillwell's England chances at the Euros and his  Chelsea future. I've been involved in discussions like these in other professions to football about people with public profiles and you discuss every single aspect of a candidature. Do you seriously believe that when discussing the England squad this wouldn't have come up? And assuming it did, Southgate then said, 'why on earth is him being in the press for contacting pornstars just before the tournament anyone's business?'

[Ham]

Chilwell was picked for Chelsea before and after this incident. Only injury stopped him being our regular left back until the emergence of Cucurella.

Chilwell was picked for England just before the Euros and he had a very bad game. 

That's it. 

 

[Guest Alex]

16 minutes ago, Ham said:

 

16 minutes ago, Ham said:

Chilwell was picked for Chelsea before and after this incident. Only injury stopped him being our regular left back until the emergence of Cucurella.

Chilwell was picked for England just before the Euros and he had a very bad game. 

That's it. 

 

 

Funny how you're so absolutely sure of yourself.

Chilwell's last England game was in March, the last set of news stories came out in April and it was after that he wasn't selected, your timeline is completely wrong.

 

[Guest Alex]

And if you really want my personal opinion yeah I think someone has got to be a prize bellend to think after his previous interactions with an OnlyFans girl had resulted in a  court case, stalking and harassment, he decided if you fall off your horse you get straight back on it.

Edited August 25 by Alex

[Rob B]

No idea what Chilly has or hasn’t done but I think he is being forced out of Chelsea purely because Maresca doesn’t really rate him tbh.  On two occasions he has called him a “lovely person” during interviews, I just think he’s quite headstrong in what he wants. 

[Ham]

15 minutes ago, Alex said:

Funny how you're so absolutely sure of yourself.

Chilwell's last England game was in March, the last set of news stories came out in April and it was after that he wasn't selected, your timeline is completely wrong.

 

Funny how you're also so absolutely sure of yourself.

Chilwell was torn to shreds by Belgium in his last game for England. He was very poor going forward too. 

He wasn't picked for the euros because of poor form and a season destroyed by injury.

He wasn't first choice for Chelsea because of injury and the form of Cucurella in the second half of last season. 

For you to believe that it's more likely to do with his liking for porn models is a stretch.  

[Guest Alex]

20 minutes ago, Ham said:

Funny how you're also so absolutely sure of yourself.

The difference between us is that I don't go running my mouth about things I haven't the first idea about, like you in the Olympics thread.

I'm making a guess you've never been in a management role where you have to make decisions over selection and employment, or know about all the information you need to analyse to make those decisions, and so you've got no idea what I'm talking about.

And again I never said 'more likely'. Like the fact that he 'deserved' it you're making all sorts of inventions.

Edited August 25 by Alex

[Guest Alex]

13 minutes ago, Rob B said:

No idea what Chilly has or hasn’t done but I think he is being forced out of Chelsea purely because Maresca doesn’t really rate him tbh.  On two occasions he has called him a “lovely person” during interviews, I just think he’s quite headstrong in what he wants. 

Sure, that's probable and going to be a big factor too, he has been extremely good in the past and was still decent recently until he was surpassed by the rapidly improving Cucurella.

Him being one of the highest earners at the club would also play into it

[bertles86]

45 minutes ago, Alex said:

Sure, that's probable and going to be a big factor too, he has been extremely good in the past and was still decent recently until he was surpassed by the rapidly improving Cucurella.

Him being one of the highest earners at the club would also play into it

I think money certainly comes into it.

But also surely Maresca comes in without blue tinted glasses and realises that Chilly 24/5 is nowhere near Chilly 21/2 or even 22/3. He presumably wants a club with minimum injuries so we can compete. Ref. Chukwameka, Trevoh being pushed out too. He i guess wants less injuries, less egoes.

[Mark Kelly]

54 minutes ago, Alex said:

The difference between us is that I don't go running my mouth about things I haven't the first idea about, like you in the Olympics thread

Didn't we cover this in quite some depth where reputable sources suggested one thing only for the opposite to be true and everyone apologised and moved on. 

Except you apparently. 

 

[Ham]

58 minutes ago, Alex said:

The difference between us is that I don't go running my mouth about things I haven't the first idea about, like you in the Olympics thread.

I'm making a guess you've never been in a management role where you have to make decisions over selection and employment, or know about all the information you need to analyse to make those decisions, and so you've got no idea what I'm talking about.

And again I never said 'more likely'. Like the fact that he 'deserved' it you're making all sorts of inventions.

I took it as a fact from a couple of posters on here that the boxer possessed some features.  I apologised and then went to fact check and saw zero evidence of what I was presented with. No sources.  

That's all I'll say there. 

Your second paragraph is dripping with condescension and again, full of assumptions.  

 

[Guest Alex]

28 minutes ago, Ham said:

I took it as a fact from a couple of posters on here that the boxer possessed some features.  I apologised and then went to fact check and saw zero evidence of what I was presented with. No sources.  

That's all I'll say there. 

Your second paragraph is dripping with condescension and again, full of assumptions.  

 

Well yep that was how it was intended.

To be honest I was pretty offended by the absolute guff you wrote in that thread and once again, you and Sciatica found another way to introduce a right-wing culture-war topic onto a football chat. I would have thought after being called out you'd have perhaps been a bit more humble, but it just appears you can feel free to move on with your little digs at what I say.

[Ham]

11 minutes ago, Alex said:

Well yep that was how it was intended.

To be honest I was pretty offended by the absolute guff you wrote in that thread and once again, you and Sciatica found another way to introduce a right-wing culture-war topic onto a football chat. I would have thought after being called out you'd have perhaps been a bit more humble, but it just appears you can feel free to move on with your little digs at what I say.

Right wing.  Ok.  

See ya.