Transfer Talk Topic

[Mark Kelly]

1 hour ago, thevelourfog said:

I agree that he's decided to leave. I just don't agree it's likely to he money driven. Let's face it, he absolutely coins it in whatever he does at this point. New contract, being sold, going for free, all of it will involve earning something like £250k a week and millions in fees and bonuses. You have to ignore some pretty obvious points to decide he's just chasing money. He doesn't have to, it's coming to him no matter what! So it's something else. And he's not the only one who doesn't want to stick around ...

 

What do you think is the reason some of them don't want to stick around?  Surely it cannot be Boehly being a bit of a lemon on occasion? 

Many of them were absolutely dreadful last season under three different coaches , 

Personally I feel those players leaving wholeheartedly deserve to be going so at this point it feels to me more about their personalities than Boehly's. 

I'm absolutely certain Mounts annoyance could be traced back to Lukaku arriving on a stupid deal. 

[Blue Kratos]

17 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

What do you think is the reason some of them don't want to stick around?  Surely it cannot be Boehly being a bit of a lemon on occasion? 

Many of them were absolutely dreadful last season under three different coaches , 

Personally I feel those players leaving wholeheartedly deserve to be going so at this point it feels to me more about their personalities than Boehly's. 

I'm absolutely certain Mounts annoyance could be traced back to Lukaku arriving on a stupid deal. 

If that's true then we all deserve pay rises 🤣

[asvaberg]

23 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

 

I'm absolutely certain Mounts annoyance could be traced back to Lukaku arriving on a stupid deal. 

Not bad, but "circumstantial evidence" unless we've heard anything from Mount on the Lukaku matter...... 😁

[chara]

29 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

What do you think is the reason some of them don't want to stick around?  Surely it cannot be Boehly being a bit of a lemon on occasion? 

Many of them were absolutely dreadful last season under three different coaches , 

Personally I feel those players leaving wholeheartedly deserve to be going so at this point it feels to me more about their personalities than Boehly's. 

I'm absolutely certain Mounts annoyance could be traced back to Lukaku arriving on a stupid deal. 

James, Chilly, Chalobah and Kepa (and a few others) had ,by comparison, a reasonably acceptable, season and no apparent noise from them about moving on.

At first glance all definite and probable transfer players had poor to, at best, middling seasons, for, as ever, whatever reasons.

As stated..under three different coaches, although in fairness to Frank really not a valid point given the circumstances, the players moving let the club down in many ways....under AVB the senior players stepped up and produced..under GP they wimped away and seemed to not care as the slide down the table accelerated.

So..what was/is the problem?...surely players are affected by day to day "working" issues not board shenanigans...much the same as Board Room squabbles in the Real World rarely have any bearing on anyone until it comes to direct workplace issues.

Media glee and s**t stirring hasn't helped but I wish we had more info to help us understand things better...Faint chance I think!

 

[Bob Singleton]

34 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

What do you think is the reason some of them don't want to stick around?  Surely it cannot be Boehly being a bit of a lemon on occasion? 

 

Almost all those that have left, are about to leave or are strongly linked to moves had at most two seasons left on their contracts (KK is one exception to this). I suspect that some will have been told that any new contract offered would be in line with the club's new wage policy. For many that could be a significant cut in basic salary, albeit with  possibly bigger bonuses for trophies.

Even if the club hadn't yet officially spoken to them, I suspect some would have been on to their agents in Feb/March time saying "Get me out of here... this place is a mad house, the manager doesn't know what he's doing, and they're cutting the wages!!!"
 

[Original 21]

AC Milan rumoured to be taking Pulisic as well as Loftus Cheek…

 

[Ham]

Getting there......

 

[Chelsea_Matt]

1 hour ago, Original 21 said:

AC Milan rumoured to be taking Pulisic as well as Loftus Cheek…

 

We can only hope. Pulisic cost £58,000,000. Let that sink in. 

[east lower]

3 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said:

We can only hope. Pulisic cost £58,000,000. Let that sink in. 

We have spent a lot of money on duds/semi-duds since 2003 (and a few before that too) but for me Pulisic is the the top 10 of duds, especially so considering that fee.

[chara]

10 minutes ago, east lower said:

We have spent a lot of money on duds/semi-duds since 2003 (and a few before that too) but for me Pulisic is the the top 10 of duds, especially so considering that fee.

Top Ten duds...hmm.... how far can we go back?...and let's have a definition of dud.....KDB/Salah were not duds ..Cudrado yes...so anyone want to go first?

[ROTG]

36 minutes ago, chara said:

Top Ten duds...hmm.... how far can we go back?...and let's have a definition of dud.....KDB/Salah were not duds ..Cudrado yes...so anyone want to go first?

All teams sign duds, it is more the case of a dud being absorbed without impacting the team, which Chelsea proved season after season until, the club hired a nobody coach who managed to destroy an entire team within 6 months. 

[Backbiter]

2 hours ago, Bob Singleton said:

Even if the club hadn't yet officially spoken to them, I suspect some would have been on to their agents in Feb/March time saying "Get me out of here... this place is a mad house, the manager doesn't know what he's doing, and they're cutting the wages!!!"
 

"And they've taken away my CL football."[Throws toys out].

[Bob Singleton]

20 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

"And they've taken away my CL football."[Throws toys out].

Indeed

[chara]

45 minutes ago, ROTG said:

All teams sign duds, it is more the case of a dud being absorbed without impacting the team, which Chelsea proved season after season until, the club hired a nobody coach who managed to destroy an entire team within 6 months. 

Well stated...was a thing I thought about,absorbing a dud or perhaps a good coach finding a way of using the player within a system...getting the best out of him for the benefit of the team...plenty of those,,,as opposed to a nobody coach who couldn't get a tune out of good players.

Shakes head wondering how GP was ever seen as a coming coach...20/20 hindsight of course but....

[Blue Kratos]

1 hour ago, east lower said:

We have spent a lot of money on duds/semi-duds since 2003 (and a few before that too) but for me Pulisic is the the top 10 of duds, especially so considering that fee.

I know we've had plenty of duds over the years and I know there are some obvious names I should include but this 10 I've done is based upon players that could have done more than what we got.

 

10.Falcao (United loan should have told us everything.)

9.Sheva (a little harsh but he lost all his pace and his career at Chelsea just faded.)

8. Veron (Never suited to the prem and questionable attitude.)

7. Koulibaly (came 4 years too late.

6. Ziyech ( I was so excited about him and to be fair he did have some moments here and there: his goal against spurs, but over all a one trick pony and didn't have the backbone for English football.)

5. Auba (Happy to collect his cheque and show nothing when he played. No desire or commitment.)

4. SWP (Was so excited about him joining but his limitations were more evident with us.)

3.Bakayoko (passing useless, tackling useless, infact just useless at everything. City got Silva, Liverpool got Fabinho and got a total lemon.)

2.Morata (Hoped he could help us replace Diego and started well but eventually fizzled out, seems to be the story of his career, had such talent but not the mentality.)

Dishonorable mentions.

Rahmen: useless

Drinkwater: useless and English.

Pato: came and went in a blink of an eye.

Maniche: helped inspire us to victory against west ham by getting sent off.

Zappacosta: useless

I know you guys will ask why I've not included Cucurella or Sterling but under the circumstances I want to give these guys one more season before they eventually get binned to sa like the others.

AND FINALLY:

1.Lukaku

At the time I was not convinced when he came back, I saw enough of his first time here and when he went to united from Everton to decide he was so limited in ability.

I said at the time I'd rather keep Tammy rather than splurge a massive fee on somebody who in my opinion wasn't that much superior.

I was told by friends that his time under Conte had made him a far better player than before. Better touch and control.

I don't know how things may have turned out if he never did that interview but having watched him for that second stint I can tell you he still looked the massive legless donkey from 2011.

His attitude is Pogba levels of delusional but atleast Pogba had talent.

Worst part was he cost us £97m and yet all his failures will always be somebody else's fault.

Anyway guys that's my list. Only my thoughts.

 

 

[xceleryx]

3 hours ago, chara said:

Top Ten duds...hmm.... how far can we go back?...and let's have a definition of dud.....KDB/Salah were not duds ..Cudrado yes...so anyone want to go first?

Really is hard to just narrow it down to 10. Will be honest I used my own personal like/dislike for a player when having to make the choice between one or the other. Alas, my list is;

Del Horno, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Veron, Morata, Pulisic, Lukaku, Batshuyai, Mutu, and Wright-Phillips. 

[Floyd25]

1 hour ago, Blue Kratos said:

Anyway guys that's my list. Only my thoughts.

Good list, don’t disagree with any of the players mentioned.

Players to add:

Boulahrouz - Terrible and why did he wear the number 9 shirt? 

Ben Haim - Clearly not Chelsea level 

Djilobodji - Bizarre signing 

Benayoun - His best moment was when he played for Liverpool and Bosignwa kicked him up the bum 

Marin - Clealry not good enough 

Zhirkov - Wasn’t a terrible player, but not Chelsea level 

Mutu - Good player to start with, I actually bought a Mutu shirt and then he got sacked, problematic 

Pizarro - Not good enough 

Higuaín - Past his best when we got him on loan 

Have to add, I actually liked SWP and he’s still a Chelsea fan. Wasn’t Chelsea level, but scored some good goals. 

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Floyd25

[xceleryx]

11 hours ago, Willian Dollar Baby said:

With the reduced games next year I can see why RLC is leaving. It is a shame to see the back of a versatile back up who rarely complains about gametime due to his injury history. At 27 however there's not a great scope for him to ever break into the starting line up on a regular basis. With his physicality I think he will do great in Serie A. 

Far more important is keeping Gallagher and Chalobah who are quality young squad players for the long term. They are both great athletes, adaptable and never leave the pitch without giving it everything. We'll only end up spending a fortune on average replacements down the line.

With Mount, Havertz and Felix all likely leaving Gallagher should get plenty of minutes and is a player that I'm sure Poch will love. We are more stacked at CB where Chalobah may struggle to get minutes next year, surely a loan would suffice with the hope it will only be one season out of Europe. 

The other thing with Loftus-Cheek is that while he's a good backup in the sense of his new found versatility and professionalism, etc. He also doesn't necessarily fit into the more dynamic profile of player that we need in the positions he plays, especially in a Pochettino system.

Not really good enough defensively to be cover for a DM in a pivot, nor has the tactical acumen, football brain, or passing quality to backup Enzo properly. If we play a back four then it removes opportunities altogether at wingback, and he's not dynamic enough to play in the more attacking roles further forward. Even if we had more games to play next season there's too many limitations in place to make him viable regardless. 

This doesn't even account for the fact his wages make no sense for the role he'd have here. 

 

I completely agree that keeping Gallagher and Chalobah is more beneficial, even though both have their own shortcomings they arguably have more distinct qualities that are of greater use.

 

[xceleryx]

7 hours ago, Bison said:

Absolutely could turn out into a steal for them. Newcastle building wisely for the mod tlart although I'm not a fan of the Tonali transfer. Watched him in the games against us this season and he was distinctly average. 

Tonali is a baller, but also not the finished article either. Should he settle quickly Newcastle will have arguably one of the best midfields in the league IMO. 

[xceleryx]

6 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

What do you think is the reason some of them don't want to stick around?  Surely it cannot be Boehly being a bit of a lemon on occasion? 

Many of them were absolutely dreadful last season under three different coaches , 

Personally I feel those players leaving wholeheartedly deserve to be going so at this point it feels to me more about their personalities than Boehly's. 

I'm absolutely certain Mounts annoyance could be traced back to Lukaku arriving on a stupid deal. 

Agree that those leaving have all more or less deserved to be moved on from courtesy of their performances alone over the last 2-3 years. 

The other factor could be down to the vision of how we want to play moving forward. Some of those who've left, or are on the verge, may be decent individual players but don't necessarily fit into the bigger team picture we're moving forward with. Whether that's down to their own personal playing styles, their attributes as players, or whatever else in between. And with many also having contract's that require decisions to be made sooner rather than later we've chosen to be proactive on the matter. 

In Mount's case I dare say it's a combination of several factors based around money and role. The bigger question is if us fans will actually ever find out the truth or not, should he ultimately depart.

[Michael Tucker]

3 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

In Mount's case I dare say it's a combination of several factors based around money and role. 

He's very into himself, let's be honest. Look at his recent 'fashion' shoot for goodness sake! Let's get the most money we can for him, and then move on. 

[xceleryx]

26 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said:

He's very into himself, let's be honest. Look at his recent 'fashion' shoot for goodness sake! Let's get the most money we can for him, and then move on. 

Yeah, I'm ready for all this to be over once and for all. I know that much. 

[xceleryx]

There's a tweet out of Italy suggesting Pulisic to AC Milan is getting closer, although no agreement found yet. 10-15 million being floated about, not sure if that's £ or €. Poli likes that he can play across the three attacking positions, and suggestions Pulisic will reduce his salary. 

This deal cannot happen soon enough either.

[Chelsea_Matt]

5 hours ago, Blue Kratos said:

I know we've had plenty of duds over the years and I know there are some obvious names I should include but this 10 I've done is based upon players that could have done more than what we got.

 

10.Falcao (United loan should have told us everything.)

9.Sheva (a little harsh but he lost all his pace and his career at Chelsea just faded.)

8. Veron (Never suited to the prem and questionable attitude.)

7. Koulibaly (came 4 years too late.

6. Ziyech ( I was so excited about him and to be fair he did have some moments here and there: his goal against spurs, but over all a one trick pony and didn't have the backbone for English football.)

5. Auba (Happy to collect his cheque and show nothing when he played. No desire or commitment.)

4. SWP (Was so excited about him joining but his limitations were more evident with us.)

3.Bakayoko (passing useless, tackling useless, infact just useless at everything. City got Silva, Liverpool got Fabinho and got a total lemon.)

2.Morata (Hoped he could help us replace Diego and started well but eventually fizzled out, seems to be the story of his career, had such talent but not the mentality.)

Dishonorable mentions.

Rahmen: useless

Drinkwater: useless and English.

Pato: came and went in a blink of an eye.

Maniche: helped inspire us to victory against west ham by getting sent off.

Zappacosta: useless

I know you guys will ask why I've not included Cucurella or Sterling but under the circumstances I want to give these guys one more season before they eventually get binned to sa like the others.

AND FINALLY:

1.Lukaku

At the time I was not convinced when he came back, I saw enough of his first time here and when he went to united from Everton to decide he was so limited in ability.

I said at the time I'd rather keep Tammy rather than splurge a massive fee on somebody who in my opinion wasn't that much superior.

I was told by friends that his time under Conte had made him a far better player than before. Better touch and control.

I don't know how things may have turned out if he never did that interview but having watched him for that second stint I can tell you he still looked the massive legless donkey from 2011.

His attitude is Pogba levels of delusional but atleast Pogba had talent.

Worst part was he cost us £97m and yet all his failures will always be somebody else's fault.

Anyway guys that's my list. Only my thoughts.

 

 

I would add Pulisic to that list. £58,000,000. All clubs make bad signings but Christ. I mean Kezman wasn’t up to it but was popular because he never gave up. I would also add Cucurella. Another £60m wasted on a clown of a footballer imo.

[ROTG]

6 hours ago, xceleryx said:

The other factor could be down to the vision of how we want to play moving forward. Some of those who've left, or are on the verge, may be decent individual players but don't necessarily fit into the bigger team picture we're moving forward with.

Who’s vision TBSD or the newly appointed head coach?