Chelsea_Matt Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ROTG said: The club has always been at the forefront of recruiting the best young talent which was initialed by Micheal Emanelo , KDB, Big Nose are examples of being recruited and sent out on loan to gain experience because they had no chance of making the 1st team when signed. Now it is the case of any of the players signed in the current and previous transfer window could be a first team starter, because there is no competition or top quality players My dear Mr Gizmo, I hope you’re well. No top quality players? We have some top quality players and who’s to say the new ones won’t be too? Yours sincerely, C_M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, xceleryx said: Or it's more like ADL being ADL and wanting £100m+ for his star players, just as he always does and has done for years now. Not at all, its down to how much a player can earn and where the club standing in Europe. Hypothetically: If ourselves and say Manure agree a fee with Napoli, who do you thing will offer the best package to the player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, ROTG said: 100% Absolutely no leadership in the current squad. So what's new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, ROTG said: Now it is the case of any of the players signed in the current and previous transfer window could be a first team starter, because there is no competition or top quality players It's almost as if we're rebuilding with a focus on youth talent. I don't even know why I bother engaging with you at times, you enjoy being difficult just to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago97 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ROTG said: Not at all, its down to how much a player can earn and where the club standing in Europe. Hypothetically: If ourselves and say Manure agree a fee with Napoli, who do you thing will offer the best package to the player? You are basing this on the deals we have done. We have not negotiated for a top number 9 coming off the back of a title winning season. Osimhen would be currently regarded in a tier above the likes of Mudryk, Nkunku, Enzo for example. No reason why we cannot compete in that hypothetical scenario. I don’t believe it upsets any Apple cart either, cos Osimhen is not comparable with players we have . Neither would Kane as another example. Edited July 2, 2023 by Thiago97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, ROTG said: Not at all, its down to how much a player can earn and where the club standing in Europe. Hypothetically: If ourselves and say Manure agree a fee with Napoli, who do you thing will offer the best package to the player? Yeah, you're right. An owner with a public history of demanding massive fees for his star players over the years ain't it, it's the TBSP's cap on wages being the impassable hurdle... Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: No top quality players? We have some top quality players and who’s to say the new ones won’t be too? Yours sincerely, C_M Chilly is the only player in our squad who has played in a title challenging/winning team. Out of the rest, i'd say James and Silva are good enough for a title challenging team. All the others have it all to prove in terms of being top class premiership players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) So, let me see if I have this right. We go for a 4-2-3-1 in defence transitioning to a 3-5-2 in attack with a midfield dropping deep and backs moving forward, and Nkunku looking to support the striker or something like it. --------------------------------Kepa/Slonina/Bettinelli RJ/Gusto----Fofana/Silva/Chalobah----Badiashile/Colwell/Sarr----Chilly/Maatsen/Cucu ------Caicedo(?)/Chukwuemeka/Santos-----Gallagher/Enzo/Hall --Madueke/Moreira------------Nunku-----------Mudryck/Sterling ----------------------------Jackson/Broja Datro goes on loan along with some of the dev squad maybe to Salzburg and we sell or try to sell Azpi, Mount, Lukaku, PAE, Ziyech, Pulisic, CHO and Baba Rahman. Edited July 2, 2023 by Sciatika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: Chilly is the only player in our squad who has played in a title challenging/winning team. Out of the rest, i'd say James and Silva are good enough for a title challenging team. All the others have it all to prove in terms of being top class premiership players. Yeah, but that’s not to say they deserve to be written off before they have kicked a ball. So we do have quality players - Mr Gizmo seemed to think we don’t. We do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurj SS Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, ROTG said: 100% Absolutely no leadership in the current squad. I agree too, at the moment it's being entirely overlooked, and that was part of Poch's downfall at Spurs in that the team was mentally weak. No real leader, and no one who could handle the pressure themselves let alone take the rest of the squad's pressure too; a team need 5-6 solid and experienced players. I think this whole buying young and exciting talent is all well and good but at this club the pressure comes on very quickly. There's no project time at Chelsea, regardless of the club's position the media will be on the backs of the players if they're unable to get us up that table very quickly; the word flops will be thrown out within 3 months, this wasn't the time to get rid of players who had played through that same preassure while introducing young players who have never had real media criticism whispered around them let alone shouted at them from the back pages of every newspaper in the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: Mr Gizmo seemed to think we don’t. We do. Dear Mr Door Let’s see how many top quality players the team starts with. How many points do you expect the club to amass from the clubs first six games in the coming PL season? Yours Sincerely ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, xceleryx said: Yeah, you're right. An owner with a public history of demanding massive fees for his star players over the years ain't it, it's the TBSP's cap on wages being the impassable hurdle... Please. It absolutely to do with wages and the whole package offered. How many player did the TBSD sign in January with a basic wage higher than £100k pw? Also I would be very dubious of giving in excess of £100m for a striker to another Italian club, especially when you can get one at Juventus for £60m Edited July 2, 2023 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Thiago97 said: You are basing this on the deals we have done. We have not negotiated for a top number 9 coming off the back of a title winning season. No the last top Number 9 we negotiated was after winning the CL. If the club was going to get a top number 9 IMO they would not spent money on Action Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, ROTG said: It absolutely to do with wages and the whole package offered. How many player did the TBSD sign in January with a basic wage higher than £100k pw? Also I would be very dubious of giving in excess of £100m for a striker to another Italian club, especially when you can get one at Juventus for £60m They turned down £60m for him so you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago97 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, ROTG said: No the last top Number 9 we negotiated was after winning the CL. If the club was going to get a top number 9 IMO they would not spent money on Action Jackson. That’s a different conversation though isn’t it. I didn’t say or imply we were after a top no 9. I said I believed we would compete on the terms offered, if we had identified a player we wanted or believed we could get. Personally, I think it’s naive to thing we have one wage structure at the club and every player has to fall within that structure. I am certain we will go beyond the terms that recent players have been acquired under, if the right player comes along. That’s what’s we were not discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 47 minutes ago, ROTG said: Dear Mr Door Let’s see how many top quality players the team starts with. How many points do you expect the club to amass from the clubs first six games in the coming PL season? Yours Sincerely ROTG Dear Mr Gizmo, As a fan, 18. Yours sincerely ROTG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: They turned down £60m for him so you can't. Maybe the club can push the boat out and go to £65m 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Thiago97 said: That’s a different conversation though isn’t it. I didn’t say or imply we were after a top no 9. I said I believed we would compete on the terms offered, if we had identified a player we wanted or believed we could get. Personally, I think it’s naive to thing we have one wage structure at the club and every player has to fall within that structure. I am certain we will go beyond the terms that recent players have been acquired under, if the right player comes along. That’s what’s we were not discussing. Ok. you may be right about paying higher salary for a top player, however I don’t believe that is the case. Maybe it something that can be revisited at the end of the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, ROTG said: Maybe the club can push the boat out and go to £65m 😀 We will have to pay "Richest league in the World , why isn't Italian football a draw outside Italy any more" tax . We should now as a club to never do any business with any Italian side unless we want to be had over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: We should now as a club to never do any business with any Italian side unless we want to be had over. So I guess another Coach from Italy is also off the cards. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: We will have to pay "Richest league in the World , why isn't Italian football a draw outside Italy any more" tax . We should now as a club to never do any business with any Italian side unless we want to be had over. Listen. I think we should just take the loss on Fatty Boom Boom. Get his wages off the books and his arrogant, disruptive presence out of the club. I know Cobham KFC will be upset but that’s life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, ROTG said: So I guess another Coach from Italy is also off the cards. 😀 If it means we have to pay two or three times more because of jealousy , then yes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: If it means we have to pay two or three times more because of jealousy , then yes . Seems the club and Italian Coaches are a match made in heaven. Vialli - FA cup, CWC Raneri - CL qualification to get RA involved Carlo - the double RDM - Champions League Antonio - PL and FA cup the following season. Sarri - Europa Cup. if there is another Italian Coach with a decent CV in the future might be worth the punt regardless of the fee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, ROTG said: It absolutely to do with wages and the whole package offered. How many player did the TBSD sign in January with a basic wage higher than £100k pw? Who knows? Never believed anything written about wages but I would be very surprised if Enzo wasn't on more than £100k a week. Also what about the summer signings? Aubameyang, Koulibaly, Fofana, Sterling, Cucurella all pretty much guaranteed to be on more than £100k a week. João Felix? Nkunku? Why is it only the January transfers that count? I reckon if you took all the players we have bought in the last two windows that were actually bought for the first team more are on £100k+ PW than not. Edited July 2, 2023 by martin1905 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Question..does anyone know how the players wages are paid?,,I mean once a month/week/bimonthly and so on? A transfer out in the middle of a [pay period means a pro rata check,bank transfer or such? Curious is all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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