Guest Alex Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, RDCW said: The working man's ballet, old chap. Nice to see you back on this board too Mr Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, CarefreeMuratcan said: Isn't the point behind all this to pick up the players such as Enzo, Caicedo, Cucurella (well the promising version of him), MacAllister, Toney etc. before Brighton, Brentford, Benfica etc. do, so avoid getting fleeced since we have cut out the middle men and directly have these players with us, whether to use directly for ourselves or to sell on further for profit, or both. Again, obviously. I think it's pretty normal to wonder what the attraction of a player with such underwhelming stats (again, 129 appearances, 5 goals) is, though. To be curious about what the club have seen that means they think this player will be worth markedly more or able to play at a high level in future. It's not like I'm setting an especially high standard or expecting a prodigy here. Generally I think we'd be much better off paying more money for fewer players, and players who it is clearer are worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Which kind of begs the question............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Ham said: Which kind of begs the question............ Doesn't that just suggest we have offered £80m, despite Brighton wanting more, and have just convinced ourselves that they will eventually give in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 56 minutes ago, RDCW said: The working man's ballet, old chap. I always associated a pivot as part of a waltz routine, which was regularly performed by the local ballroom club at our local wheel tappers and shunters workings mans club Cha-Cha-Cha 😃 "another one for the teenagers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Again, obviously. I think it's pretty normal to wonder what the attraction of a player with such underwhelming stats (again, 129 appearances, 5 goals) is, though. To be curious about what the club have seen that means they think this player will be worth markedly more or able to play at a high level in future. It's not like I'm setting an especially high standard or expecting a prodigy here. Generally I think we'd be much better off paying more money for fewer players, and players who it is clearer are worth it. I guess we will see in the coming seasons if project 2030 is viable with regards to the club winning things again Or is it just a case of sustainability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Doesn't that just suggest we have offered £80m, despite Brighton wanting more, and have just convinced ourselves that they will eventually give in? If its £80m, can see Chitty coming to the party Edited July 17, 2023 by ROTG That Said maybe the swerving the Cucurella Bullet will put doubts in chitty's mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, ROTG said: If its £80m, can see Chitty coming to the party For a mid table player , are they mad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 49 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Doesn't that just suggest we have offered £80m, despite Brighton wanting more, and have just convinced ourselves that they will eventually give in? Before the season ended there were tweets on how Chelsea thought this could be done at £80m and here we are. Latest article from Nathan Gissing (Guessing) says that we offered £65m plus £5m last week which contradicts every previous article on how we weren't going to submit any bids as such until the was agreement on the price. Here we are one day before the pre-season tour with barely any midfielders. I'm genuinely worried about how we start this season. Others have tweaked their squads from a position of strength. We're a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ham said: Before the season ended there were tweets on how Chelsea thought this could be done at £80m and here we are. Latest article from Nathan Gissing (Guessing) says that we offered £65m plus £5m last week which contradicts every previous article on how we weren't going to submit any bids as such until the was agreement on the price. Here we are one day before the pre-season tour with barely any midfielders. I'm genuinely worried about how we start this season. Others have tweaked their squads from a position of strength. We're a mess. It really isn't a good look is it? Still , once we get Neymar in ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: For a mid table player , are they mad? Probably not, as he would more than likely spend the first season as a squad player, like Grealish and Kelvin Philips "I think that's his name" Edited July 17, 2023 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Miguelito07 said: Genuinely shocked we've sold him for so little. So much promise as a utility CM/DM. Surprised also that Poch didn't want to have a close look at him before shipping him out, given his reputation with young players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ham said: Genuinely shocked we've sold him for so little. So much promise as a utility CM/DM. Surprised also that Poch didn't want to have a close look at him before shipping him out, given his reputation with young players. Particularly with the Caicedo transfer dragging on , I'm sure he could have done a job for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Shocked, always felt he had something to offer. Seriously doubting the judgement of the new management at the moment. Hope I’m proved wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ham said: Genuinely shocked we've sold him for so little. So much promise as a utility CM/DM. Surprised also that Poch didn't want to have a close look at him before shipping him out, given his reputation with young players. 1 minute ago, Mark Kelly said: Particularly with the Caicedo transfer dragging on , I'm sure he could have done a job for us. Maybe, but 3 consecutive loans to very poor clubs, and now a transfer down a division shows where his reputation is. I didn't see many better clubs queueing up to buy / loan him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Just now, Blue Moon said: Shocked, always felt he had something to offer. Seriously doubting the judgement of the new management at the moment. Hope I’m proved wrong and 3 consecutive relegations! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ham said: Genuinely shocked we've sold him for so little. there is a sell on clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarefreeMuratcan Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, thevelourfog said: Again, obviously. I think it's pretty normal to wonder what the attraction of a player with such underwhelming stats (again, 129 appearances, 5 goals) is, though. To be curious about what the club have seen that means they think this player will be worth markedly more or able to play at a high level in future. It's not like I'm setting an especially high standard or expecting a prodigy here. Generally I think we'd be much better off paying more money for fewer players, and players who it is clearer are worth it. Yes I agree with that, would have worked perfectly in this of all seasons as well to have a tighter more focused squad size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Ham said: Genuinely shocked we've sold him for so little. So much promise as a utility CM/DM. Surprised also that Poch didn't want to have a close look at him before shipping him out, given his reputation with young players. I think Chelsea have ,for once, moved another "nearly" player on with the player's future in mind... I wanted him to do well and think he would/could have done A job not THE job as a squad back up. Not a player to build a side around and although I always liked his commitment there was a card hovering every time I watched him..or so it seemed. Wish him well but in this time of "realism" towards players not contributing or truly up to top billing it is refreshing in a way to see the "dog in the manger" hang on to a player "just in case" attitude being cast aside...in truth of all the players shifted this window with a cold eye... can anyone question the shift? Regrets of course..Kante time/injury..Dave ..time...Mount...a disappointment and on but something had to change radically...hopefully the latest changes will be in the right long term direction...ALL we can do is hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 First teamers would play out of position ahead of Ampadu if needed. Better for us to downsize and he deserves an actual home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: First teamers would play out of position ahead of Ampadu if needed. Better for us to downsize and he deserves an actual home. Yup. 23 in September too. I am somewhat surprised (or not) that our board are getting criticized (by a few) for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, paulw66 said: I am somewhat surprised (or not) that our board are getting criticized (by a few) for this. It's because we look very, very thin in midfield tbf. Lots of time to bring people in but I understand the nerves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, paulw66 said: Yup. 23 in September too. I am somewhat surprised (or not) that our board are getting criticized (by a few) for this. No point. Everything is rosy in the garden. Top 4 here we come Edited July 17, 2023 by ROTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 For me Ampadu just isn’t quite good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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