boratsbrother Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 I hope we don't start panicking about bringing players in and start blowing huge sums of money on moderate players just to fill gaps in the squad. It was always going to be a big job to rebuild the squad, move on the deadwood, bring money in and slash the bloated wage bill. As we've seen, most of that part of the job has already been done, but the hardest part was always going to signing the level of players we need to significantly improve the team. If we can't buy them this window then we should be prepared to wait and make do with what we have. We cannot afford to rush the most crucial part of the rebuild just to hopefully be in a chase for a CL place this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, xceleryx said: . Not sure they'd be in direct competition anyway, would be highly unlikely we'd line up with two left footed CB's together IMO. Can't even think of a left-footed pairing come to think of it. Desailly - Leboeuf Desailly - JT Desailly - Gallas JT - Gallas JT - Carvalho JT - Cahill JT - Alex JT - David Luiz Just about every good, consistent partnership I have seen in a back 4 here have had 2 right footers, and it was never mentioned as a concern. So why not 2 left footers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 ">>>cited Maguire as one of the best options on the market".......reflects on the quality of the market not player worth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 I actually don't think Maguire would be the worst option in the world. I think he has been a bit of scapegoat at United. Very good everywhere else, including England. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, chara said: ">>>cited Maguire as one of the best options on the market".......reflects on the quality of the market not player worth! KK mk2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 minute ago, paulw66 said: I actually don't think Maguire would be the worst option in the world. I think he has been a bit of scapegoat at United. Very good everywhere else, including England. A highly paid carthorse is not what the club needs after this summers culling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDCW Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, paulw66 said: I actually don't think Maguire would be the worst option in the world. I think he has been a bit of scapegoat at United. Very good everywhere else, including England. He would be an awful option. His confidence is shot, he is too old and he is on way too much money. He would also cost a lumpy transfer fee with 2+1 years left on his contract at a club which will do us no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, ROTG said: KK mk2 My thoughts exactly....turning circle of The Titanic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 What’s more, he’d want captaincy, and might even get it … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, paulw66 said: I actually don't think Maguire would be the worst option in the world. I think he has been a bit of scapegoat at United. Very good everywhere else, including England. I think he may benefit from a change and the chance to get back in the England manager’s plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Sciatika said: The problem with Ward-Prowse is that you can't just bring him on for set pieces and then take him off again. Maybe Todd hasn't been informed that you can't bring on special teams during games 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Put me in the "Maguire wouldn't be the worst decision right now" camp. United would probably be happy to negotiate as they probably want him gone because of the negative image around around him in a United shirt. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 Maguire would be a horrendous option. Can't run, immobile, turns slower than 38 year old Thiago Silva and has low confidence after being dropped and stripped of the captaincy at his current club. None of the clubs we're trying to finish above would entertain the idea of signing Maguire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Ham said: Maybe Todd hasn't been informed that you can't bring on special teams during games 🤷🏻♂️ YET!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Ham said: Put me in the "Maguire wouldn't be the worst decision right now" camp. United would probably be happy to negotiate as they probably want him gone because of the negative image around around him in a United shirt. I'm seriously expecting a Maguire Neymar twofer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, chara said: Clear headed comments Mr Williams..Thank you.... a bit out of touch here but how "absolute" is the reported injury? No smoke etc but any official or semi official word? (Maybe clutching at straws.) FWIW..one of my dogs tore his ACL somehow.. back to normal in three months....not comparing the two but as you say...not the career ending injury it once was and common surgery now..even for pets. Done deal on the injury, confirmed. I thought we overpaid for Wes, firstly his comparative lack of experience and secondly he had the feel of a 'Pulisic' in terms of injury history. Just felt too high a fee, too much risk for the reward. But we had Rudiger leaving and got sort of Courtois'd on the deal. One other thing as regards Wes, and I've noticed it far more noticeably at the games is that he has a strange gait, which looks like he might get additional strain on ankles and knees. In a similar way that Wilshire had, although commentators have said his early injuries were caused by his own tacking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, east lower said: Done deal on the injury, confirmed. I thought we overpaid for Wes, firstly his comparative lack of experience and secondly he had the feel of a 'Pulisic' in terms of injury history. Just felt too high a fee, too much risk for the reward. But we had Rudiger leaving and got sort of Courtois'd on the deal. One other thing as regards Wes, and I've noticed it far more noticeably at the games is that he has a strange gait, which looks like he might get additional strain on ankles and knees. In a similar way that Wilshire had, although commentators have said his early injuries were caused by his own tacking. I know someone who was a youngster at Arsenal and was friends with quite a few people there and he told me. Wilshires issue was he had horribly bandy legs which put extra strain on his ankles and given the way he played caused him no end of problems. Couldn't catch a pig in a passage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 I have a theory that the spate of knee injuries among female footballers is partly to do with wide hips and so more pressure is put on the knee ligaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 43 minutes ago, Sciatika said: I have a theory that the spate of knee injuries among female footballers is partly to do with wide hips and so more pressure is put on the knee ligaments. I follow Sharron Davies and she mentioned the very same thing recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Bison said: Maguire would be a horrendous option. Can't run, immobile, turns slower than 38 year old Thiago Silva and has low confidence after being dropped and stripped of the captaincy at his current club. None of the clubs we're trying to finish above would entertain the idea of signing Maguire. Alternatively, he might want to get one back over Man Utd. Just a thought. That being said, not a fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RDCW Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 57 minutes ago, Ham said: I follow Sharron Davies and she mentioned the very same thing recently. Isn't there a law against that sort of thing? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, RDCW said: Isn't there a law against that sort of thing? Luckily for her we were in a swimming pool at the time and so she got away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeping Dave Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Bert19 said: His injury record to this point really has an ominous feel to it. Hope i'm wrong, must be terrible for the lad. Yeah not looking great is it? 7 hours ago, boratsbrother said: I have the same feeling and go further and say I think he's probably already finished as a player for a top club.🙁 There was always a high risk with this signing, both based on injury-record up til then, but also how little he had really achieved before we signed him. £60m+ is a very high fee for a CB. In hindsight it was a mad signing and yet another one where it is obvious we not only overspent, we were also undercooked on quality. I was very much against us signing him and definitely for the money we did. I think it is obvious how this will end up. Another high-end signing on a long deal with high wages. We are just making this so much harder than it has to be. A lot of good money thrown on bad prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 @Sleeping Dave Looking at the Colwill situation there looks to be some similarity in that with a very low number of appearances at top level both players seem to have been chased for their potential rather than actual proven long term ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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