Bones Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Real reason we and they bought him! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Floyd25 said: If Gallagher is surplus to requirements, why has he been given so much game time in pre season? Something tells me it’s nonsense, unless we’re keeping Santos and Casadei in the squad. I guess Pochettino wanted to look at him. But there’s a report going round that he’s not been offered an extension to his contract and is being shopped around. Also a number of rumours linking us to other midfielders like Olise and Kudus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chelsea_Matt Posted July 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2023 Erm. I don’t know about y’all. But we really could do with a holding midfielder or two soon. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 54 minutes ago, Floyd25 said: If Gallagher is surplus to requirements, why has he been given so much game time in pre season? Something tells me it’s nonsense, unless we’re keeping Santos and Casadei in the squad. It's a good point, but I guess 1) at this stage there is nobody else and 2) you want to give him game time in case a deal falls through or just to keep him fit and in the shop window Either way, we need to sign probably* two midfielders even if he stays, so selling him gives us a further headache. *depending on the decisions made on Santos and Casadei, especially Santos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Miguelito07 said: Would you sell Gallagher? I know he's not the most competent of players but I actually quite like his work-rate. Yes, he's very similar to Mount in terms of, to get the best out of him we'd probably need to play a three man midfield, something we aren't going to do. If we aren't going to offer him a new contact, the time to sell him is now. The links to Olesi, a player I personally REALLY like, have come out of the blue and if we can get him for the rumoured fee as a like for like replacement for Gallagher then it's a no brainer. Enzo and Caicedo will play the vast majority of games so as light as we are in midfield, with so few games next season, I think we could keep Casadei and Santos and bring in Olise for Gallagher, whose not a realistic option further back. There's obviously a very good argument for getting loans for Santos and Casadei but there's also a really good argument for keeping at least one of them around and really integrating them into the first team squad and premier league. In an ideal world we would bring in Caicedo and one other but Santos and especially Casadei look so impressive I wouldn't want to be bringing in a bonafide 2nd choice who gets in the way of those two. If the right player becomes available then we can reassess. Enzo, Caicedo, Casadei, Santos Mudryk, Sterling, Nkunku, Madueke, Olise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, xceleryx said: Throw me some worthwhile alternatives then? Alternatives to Bonnuci? 😂 With Colwill in the side and no European football I don't think another CB is a priority or even necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, martin1905 said: Yes, he's very similar to Mount in terms of, to get the best out of him we'd probably need to play a three man midfield, something we aren't going to do. If we aren't going to offer him a new contact, the time to sell him is now. The links to Olesi, a player I personally REALLY like, have come out of the blue and if we can get him for the rumoured fee as a like for like replacement for Gallagher then it's a no brainer. Enzo and Caicedo will play the vast majority of games so as light as we are in midfield, with so few games next season, I think we could keep Casadei and Santos and bring in Olise for Gallagher, whose not a realistic option further back. There's obviously a very good argument for getting loans for Santos and Casadei but there's also a really good argument for keeping at least one of them around and really integrating them into the first team squad and premier league. In an ideal world we would bring in Caicedo and one other but Santos and especially Casadei look so impressive I wouldn't want to be bringing in a bonafide 2nd choice who gets in the way of those two. If the right player becomes available then we can reassess. Enzo, Caicedo, Casadei, Santos Mudryk, Sterling, Nkunku, Madueke, Olise. Olise is more of a wide player, although has played central, he's not what I'd necessarily consider full-blown replacement for Gallagher. Casadei isn't really what you want in a pivot either, he's more box-to-box and his strengths line with being able to get forward and join the attack. Can't really do that from a double pivot, and it would be short-sighted trying to pigeon hole him into the role. Similar applies to Santos, another box-to-box player naturally but a bit more flexible with being able to do a bit more defensive work. Even Caicedo isn't really a full blown DM either if we're wanting to be picky. I'd still be wanting to see an actual defensive midfielder who is more of a specialist arriving, whether that's to backup Caicedo or otherwise. The possibility of going into next season with no naturally suited DM and being forced to plug the gap with players who have strengths that excel beyond such a role will have defeated the entire purpose of rebuilding the midfield. Sign players that are naturally suited for the roles being asked of them, but also compliment their partner (Enzo) and the team's methods as a whole. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Alex said: Alternatives to Bonnuci? 😂 With Colwill in the side and no European football I don't think another CB is a priority or even necessary. Fofana alternatives. I'm not out here advocating for Bonucci blindly, I also happen to follow Juve (and Italy NT) so naturally have probably seen him play more times than anyone else on this forum. As I've said before, and I'll stress again because your eagerness to ignore it continues, he's not perfect and some fix all solution. However, given the market, the available options, and other criteria we'll be needing to consider, he does tick some of our boxes of need more than many others. He's not my preferred option, but he's an option I'd consider. Colwill doesn't replace Fofana, he'll play on the left and compete with Badiashile. We're looking at right sided options here, and as laid out before Thiago Silva is 39 soon and has regularly missed chunks of the season through injury since joining. And even if entertain the idea of pairing two left-footed CB's together Colwill has had his injuries the last two seasons, as as Badiashile. There's no guarantee any of these three play out a full season, even with a reduced schedule. So going into the season with just 4 options is naive to say the least. Unless you're happy to play Chalobah as a lone CB? Edited July 24, 2023 by xceleryx spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, xceleryx said: The possibility of going into next season with no naturally suited DM Poch backup, Eric Dier is available with only one year left on his contract. The club can give Daniel £50m for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, ROTG said: Poch backup, Eric Dier is available with only one year left on his contract. The club can give Daniel £50m for him Hell nah, Dier is as defensively solid as a sieve. I'd rather see you lace 'em up. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, ROTG said: Poch backup, Eric Dier is available with only one year left on his contract. The club can give Daniel £50m for him I think you may have meant 50 quid, not 50 million 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 I'd go after Lavia first. Are we chasing him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sciatika said: I'd go after Lavia first. Are we chasing him? Reportedly interested but not made any official move. Sounding like Liverpool have stronger interest in him than us, which probably makes sense as he fits their needs more than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 When buying something, it is always good to let the sellers know you have choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1905 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, xceleryx said: Olise is more of a wide player, although has played central, he's not what I'd necessarily consider full-blown replacement for Gallagher. Casadei isn't really what you want in a pivot either, he's more box-to-box and his strengths line with being able to get forward and join the attack. Can't really do that from a double pivot, and it would be short-sighted trying to pigeon hole him into the role. Similar applies to Santos, another box-to-box player naturally but a bit more flexible with being able to do a bit more defensive work. Even Caicedo isn't really a full blown DM either if we're wanting to be picky. I'd still be wanting to see an actual defensive midfielder who is more of a specialist arriving, whether that's to backup Caicedo or otherwise. The possibility of going into next season with no naturally suited DM and being forced to plug the gap with players who have strengths that excel beyond such a role will have defeated the entire purpose of rebuilding the midfield. Sign players that are naturally suited for the roles being asked of them, but also compliment their partner (Enzo) and the team's methods as a whole. Shouldn't have used the term like for like to be fair, more that it's one in, one out for similar money albeit they play in different positions. As for having an out and out DM, I don't think it's something are looking at. Assuming we play 4231 it's not something I'd want either. For me it's about getting two well rounded midfielders in there as opposed to someone like Declan Rice who I think, that type of DM is much better suited to playing in a three man midfield. Enzo and Caicedo is literally the perfect pair, both capable of doing everything, obviously some things better than others but as long as one sits a bit deeper when the other ventures forward its not a problem. When you play with 70% of the ball in the opposition half 70% of the time the need for an out and out DM is muted, as long as someone sits a bit deeper it's not going to be a problem, which is why Enzo and Caicedo are so well suited to one another. Doesn't matter which one sits and which one goes forward as long as they don't both get too carried away. Casadei and Santos will both have to adapt too, which is only a good thing, for them and us. With such a young, energetic team which will press high and agressively, with two such well rounded midfielders the idea will be to win the ball back quickly and as high up the pitch as possibly and with Colwill and Silva being so good on the ball the need for an out and out DM just won't be there. Could be wrong of course but if we do get Caicedo your looking at the best part of £200m on two midfielders, who are both incredibly well rounded and with so few games next season we can only assume they will start the vast majority when fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 34 minutes ago, Sciatika said: I'd go after Lavia first. Are we chasing him? https://www.thechelseachronicle.com/transfer-news/keep-an-eye-on-chelsea-fabrizio-romano-claims-50m-player-could-move-to-stamford-bridge-thanks-to-director/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Bit behind with the kev/MT Sterling "chat"...but... one incident v Brighton..was offside but usual Raheem finish at the keeper... said to Mrs C...who may have even realised I was talking..that when Raheem gets the ball in many situations I could shut my eyes and know what is happening without watching...and again she is somewhat bemused that listening to me it appears Raheem has the same game day first name as Torres....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 10 minutes ago, chara said: Raheem has the same game day first name as Torres....... Does it begin with an "F" by any chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Mark Kelly said: Does it begin with an "F" by any chance ? Yep...and not by chance😁🍋🧚♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 This is gathering pace… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguelito07 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Original 21 said: This is gathering pace… the fee seems a bit on the low side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Are we just ... broke? Much more so than is outwardly obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Apparently we are enquiring after the availability of Axel Disasi of Monaco another centre half A disasi waiting to happen? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Are we just ... broke? Much more so than is outwardly obvious? Broke as in busted or as in skint?'.....not taking the P...just wondering why Conor seems on the selling list.... Be a good sale for him and the club but also worth keeping although not sure of his long term viability, Can't see him in the "rotten bunch" and needs to be gone...seemed very involved and committed on tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Apparently we are enquiring after the availability of Axel Disasi of Monaco another centre half A disasi waiting to happen? Matron!..he's at it again!!!!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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