Transfer Talk Topic

[paulw66]

48 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

Otherwise every player would be playing for their home club just as soon as they offer £3k a week (more than enough for anyone).

Well, again this is a bit daft. 

3k a week versus 300k a week is not the same pond. 

[Dwmh]

3k vs 4k a week and i wouldn't notice it much.  But if someone tries to fob me off with 3k when I know I can get 4k I'd be furious.

ditto 300k vs 400k.

Not sure why we are arguing this - basically Xceleryx thinks you don't have to match wages of other offers if you have already matched the release clause for the fee.  I'm saying it is nonsense.  Inventing cases which might be true is at best saying it might be true in 1 or "% of cases.

Lets put it like this.  In 90% of cases you have to match 90% of the wage package other bidders have offered.

[Max Fowler]

Should be our next keeper

 

 

[xceleryx]

6 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

Should be our next keeper

Don't see it happening. He wants to stay at AC Milan and has been in discussions over a new deal for the last 6 months, and any fee AC Milan would demand if he was sold in the short term would be around what we paid for Kepa. 

Good keeper, but also injured a lot. Has missed his share of games the last few years. 

Kobel from Dortmund would make a good alternative IMO. 

[Max Fowler]

 

100% reliable @Dwmh

[Dwmh]

3 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

"I am not sure"  Simon Phillips

100% reliable @Dwmh

If the clock stopped here, he'd be right forever.

[Morgs]

"Lazy" Rashford in miserable form? Maguire forgotten how to defend? Ten Hag under massive pressure? Open rebellion at United, half the players want out, the other half want the manager out? Literally cannot buy a win lately? 

That's us getting tonked 3-0 tonight then. 

[Ham]

1 minute ago, Morgs said:

"Lazy" Rashford in miserable form? Maguire forgotten how to defend? Ten Hag under massive pressure? Open rebellion at United, half the players want out, the other half want the manager out? Literally cannot buy a win lately? 

That's us getting tonked 3-0 tonight then. 

Dr Chelsea will see you now. 

[thevelourfog]

2 minutes ago, Morgs said:

"Lazy" Rashford in miserable form? Maguire forgotten how to defend? Ten Hag under massive pressure? Open rebellion at United, half the players want out, the other half want the manager out? Literally cannot buy a win lately? 

That's us getting tonked 3-0 tonight then. 

Maguire is the PL player of the month, apparently. 

Like getting a certificate at the end of the school year for turning up.

[Morgs]

Onana literally cannot catch a cold lately. Which means he will turn into prime Schmeichel/Zoff/Neuer/Buffon tonight for absolutely no reason because Chelsea. 

[Chelsea_Matt]

2 minutes ago, Morgs said:

Onana literally cannot catch a cold lately. Which means he will turn into prime Schmeichel/Zoff/Neuer/Buffon tonight for absolutely no reason because Chelsea. 

Roll up! Roll up! Charity FC are here! #ElMorgerino ⭐️

[Ham]

23 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Maguire is the PL player of the month, apparently. 

Like getting a certificate at the end of the school year for turning up.

You say that but Nico Jackson got Chelsea POTM 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Max Fowler]

Get rid of this wasteman 

 

 

[Mark Kelly]

35 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

Get rid of this wasteman 

 

 

You'd think he d realise that Poch will be out soon and bide his time wouldn't you? 

[thevelourfog]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

You'd think he d realise that Poch will be out soon and bide his time wouldn't you? 

He wouldn't get picked if Tom sodding Boehly was the coach. 

[Dwmh]

3 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

Get rid of this wasteman 

The trouble is not Madueke, or his estimated £28.5m fee. 
The trouble is 7 year contracts.

[xceleryx]

5 hours ago, Dwmh said:

The trouble is not Madueke, or his estimated £28.5m fee. 
The trouble is 7 year contracts.

A club isn't going to dismiss a potential target on the basis of how many remaining years they have on a contract. 

If a club wants Madueke, they'll be more concerned about the transfer fee cost and wages - those will be the defining roadblocks. 

 

[ROTG]

11 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

Get rid of this wasteman 

 

 

He ain't going nowhere until the summer at the earliest, Anything else is a slap in the face to TBSD

[ROTG]

3 hours ago, xceleryx said:

A club isn't going to dismiss a potential target on the basis of how many remaining years they have on a contract. 

If a club wants Madueke, they'll be more concerned about the transfer fee cost and wages - those will be the defining roadblocks. 

 

His value is probably less than CHO due to his limited skill set, so selling him is not the problem,  finding a buyer is who wants him is a far bigger challenge.

[Chelsea_Matt]

On 06/12/2023 at 20:06, Mark Kelly said:

You'd think he d realise that Poch will be out soon and bide his time wouldn't you? 

I don’t think buying even more players is the answer tbh. If we can’t get this bunch of weak, entitled, pathetic morons playing how is spending even more money on Brazilian children and the dross of Eastern Europe going to do any good?

[Dwmh]

17 hours ago, xceleryx said:

A club isn't going to dismiss a potential target on the basis of how many remaining years they have on a contract. 

If a club wants Madueke, they'll be more concerned about the transfer fee cost and wages - those will be the defining roadblocks. 

 

Well explain to Madueke why he should move for half the wages AND a 2 year contract.  Because no one is going to offer him more if he can't get into a mid table PL side.  Possibly much less than half the wages.

It is not like Cole Palmer with Grealish and Foden ahead of him.

This could be Bats, Baka, Drinkwater or Barkley all over again.

[chara]

56 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said:

I don’t think buying even more players is the answer tbh. If we can’t get this bunch of weak, entitled, pathetic morons playing how is spending even more money on Brazilian children and the dross of Eastern Europe going to do any good?

Can feel your pain there Matt !..... needs three seasoned top players..not necessarily the Messi's of the game but the type of player that can read the game...knows when to "stumble" and when to keep his mouth shut...gets on with the game...takes no prisoners but not as a spectacle and EARNS HIS PAYCHECK !!!..every week !

[xceleryx]

2 hours ago, Dwmh said:

Well explain to Madueke why he should move for half the wages AND a 2 year contract.  Because no one is going to offer him more if he can't get into a mid table PL side.  Possibly much less than half the wages.

It is not like Cole Palmer with Grealish and Foden ahead of him.

This could be Bats, Baka, Drinkwater or Barkley all over again.

Firstly, no club is going to offer him a two year contract so exaggerating the point in this instance is a ridiculous notion. Secondly, Madueke is earning around £50k pw using the data out there, which makes him a lower-middle tier earner in the current squad, but more importantly they're wages that are entirely coverable by virtually every Premier League team. This is a point I continue to stress and gets ignored by those like yourself, the wages for players like this are controlled and easier to move on from unlike a Batshuayi, Drinkwater or even a Barkley who was earning £100k pw during his time here. 

For example, he could join a Notts Forrest on his current wages and be earning equal to the likes of Neco Williams, Agoniyi and Aurier. At a struggling Burnley he'd be seen as a "star player" and at £50k pw would be their highest earner by £5k over the likes of Jack Cork and Brownhill. Even at say Bournemouth he'd be on par with Solanke, Neto, Christie, Senesi, and Brooks, while behind what they're paying someone like Tyler Adam's who's played a whole 20 minutes this season (cup tie) and been injured for the rest. 

Madueke may not draw the interest of a Man City, a Man Utd or even a Brighton, but he's still an attractive proposition for some of the other teams within the league who could use a bit of additional attacking flair. At 21 there's still plenty of time ahead of him to go and be a good player somewhere if that isn't to be here.

[Dwmh]

8 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

Firstly, no club is going to offer him a two year contract so exaggerating the point in this instance is a ridiculous notion.

So if he doesn't break into the current side, what next?  Top 10 team?  He doesn't appear to be a Moses or a Zouma, not quite good enough for a top 4 team, but good enough to play occasionally and a shoe in for a starting place at 10 PL clubs.

He look like Sarr, Bats, Baba (post injury), early Bamford.  Championship player.
That player gets offered 10k a week or less for 2 years.  

12 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

Secondly, Madueke is earning around £50k pw using the data out there, which makes him a lower-middle tier earner in the current squad, but more importantly they're wages that are entirely coverable by virtually every Premier League team.

For an expected starter sure,  but only if they are convinced he can start.
 

20 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

For example, he could join a Notts Forrest on his current wages and be earning equal to the likes of Neco Williams, Agoniyi and Aurier. At a struggling Burnley he'd be seen as a "star player" and at £50k pw would be their highest earner by £5k over the likes of Jack Cork and Brownhill. Even at say Bournemouth he'd be on par with Solanke, Neto, Christie, Senesi, and Brooks, while behind what they're paying someone like Tyler Adam's who's played a whole 20 minutes this season (cup tie) and been injured for the rest. 

What are you smoking if you think he can earn the same as Solanke or Brooks or be the star player at Burnley?

22 minutes ago, xceleryx said:

At 21 there's still plenty of time ahead of him to go and be a good player somewhere if that isn't to be here.

First he needs a couple of years on loan with us paying 75% of his wages.
Or he needs to earn 10 starts in a season on merit.

One thing is absolutely sure, no other club is going to commit to paying him £13m in wages over 2024-29 like we have done.
And the transfer fee should be a write off now.  Poor sod.

[xceleryx]

40 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

So if he doesn't break into the current side, what next?  Top 10 team?  He doesn't appear to be a Moses or a Zouma, not quite good enough for a top 4 team, but good enough to play occasionally and a shoe in for a starting place at 10 PL clubs.

He look like Sarr, Bats, Baba (post injury), early Bamford.  Championship player.
That player gets offered 10k a week or less for 2 years.  

If he doesn't break into the current team, or is simply deemed surplus, he'll join someone else. It's not as if his career just ends and they'll be no interest in him. He's young, and there is talent there, and in the right environment there's still plenty of upside to be had. He could quite easily join the sides I mentioned initially for example.

You say some ridiculous things at times Droy, but lost the absolute plot if you think he'd get £10k a week or less on a 2 year deal. That really takes the biscuit. 

46 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

For an expected starter sure,  but only if they are convinced he can start.

Entirely dependant on who takes interest him. As I said, virtually every Premier League team could afford to cover his current wages irrespective of role. 

48 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

What are you smoking if you think he can earn the same as Solanke or Brooks or be the star player at Burnley?

That wasn't what I said now was it. I provided COMPARISONS of others earning around what he does at other lower end clubs, to highlight he's affordable to those sorts of teams. Of course, you know this but have opted to play a game of ROTG's twister. 

51 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

First he needs a couple of years on loan with us paying 75% of his wages.
Or he needs to earn 10 starts in a season on merit.

One thing is absolutely sure, no other club is going to commit to paying him £13m in wages over 2024-29 like we have done.
And the transfer fee should be a write off now.  Poor sod.

He needs minutes, whether that's here or elsewhere. He also needs to remain fit.

It's not absolutely sure at all, just because you think it is doesn't make it so. 

We'll see in due course just how difficult he is to shift if we opt to go down that path.