asvaberg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 17 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: Spurs fans seem super happy to have brought Werner!! Prepare yourselves for a little bit of a disappointment Spuds. Bought, or leased? He wasn't all that bad with us, was he? Not a striker/top scorer per se, but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, asvaberg said: Bought, or leased? He wasn't all that bad with us, was he? Not a striker/top scorer per se, but still It’s not about what he scored ( which really wasn’t much) , it’s about what gilt edge chances he messed up. He was shocking for us. But long may that continue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 hours ago, NoblyBobly said: Spurs fans seem super happy to have brought Werner!! Prepare yourselves for a little bit of a disappointment Spuds. Much as I loved him, I hope they enjoy his career individual interpretation of the offside law as much as we did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Just now, Chelsea_Matt said: Much as I loved him, I hope they enjoy his career individual interpretation of the offside law as much as we did. I’m watching him now and unless I’m somehow mistaken, he looks as if he’s not as quick off the mark as he was. Could be just lack of match fitness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 26 minutes ago, east lower said: I’m watching him now and unless I’m somehow mistaken, he looks as if he’s not as quick off the mark as he was. Could be just lack of match fitness? Maybe he has been taking lessons in offside law. I've never understood our habit of paying for strikers that can run so much faster than our midfielders can think, and then having them start on the offside line, not 2 yards behind it. As Liverpool taught the world some years back, VAR means offside has changed from "they call 50% of the time, whether you are two yards on or two yards off but no one minds because if they call it you won't find out if you can finish". Now it is defenders like VVD who are so sure they won't get robbed by the Lino that they push up even further to the point that all a striker has to do is stay on the h/w line. VAR is making football easier for the likes of Werner, Mudryk and Jackson. Managers seem to be trying to make it hard for their own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asvaberg Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, east lower said: I’m watching him now and unless I’m somehow mistaken, he looks as if he’s not as quick off the mark as he was. Could be just lack of match fitness? He just had an assist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisb Posted January 14 Popular Post Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, asvaberg said: He just had an assist..... And his shot from the first half has just landed in my garden. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 27 minutes ago, asvaberg said: He just had an assist..... He used to do that with us………… 24 minutes ago, chrisb said: And his shot from the first half has just landed in my garden. He used to that with us……………… 58 minutes ago, Dwmh said: Maybe he has been taking lessons in offside law. Not so sure about that Mr Droy………based on his second-half 😉 On a serious note, the folly of letting a move flow on when there’s been an obvious offside was shown in the Newcastle vs Man City game with the injury to Edison - It’s a law/rule typical of non-professional player based law-makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, chrisb said: And his shot from the first half has just landed in my garden. And then the classic shot dragged hopelessly wide when clean through. That in particular brought it all back to me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 41 minutes ago, east lower said: On a serious note, the folly of letting a move flow on when there’s been an obvious offside was shown in the Newcastle vs Man City game with the injury to Edison - It’s a law/rule typical of non-professional player based law-makers. I'm much more bothered about the folly of allowing each half go on for an extra 10 minutes than the 20 secs from an offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, asvaberg said: He just had an assist..... He wasn’t hopeless , and he always put a shift in, but his finishing was some of the worst I’ve seen in a Chelsea shirt ( including the current lot). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Dwmh said: I'm much more bothered about the folly of allowing each half go on for an extra 10 minutes than the 20 secs from an offside. You have to remember that “football is for the fans” apparently. I wonder what the result of a fan poll would be if the authorities put the use of VAR in a Yes or No poll? I think the answer is known and there’s too much money being had by a few to let that happen. Time to get all French on them. Apart from Champagne, it’s the one thing the French do well and that’s make themselves a pain in the derrière to whomsoever is causing them an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 49 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: He wasn’t hopeless , and he always put a shift in, but his finishing was some of the worst I’ve seen in a Chelsea shirt ( including the current lot). Broja says hi 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 45 minutes ago, east lower said: Broja says hi 😉 The most limited Chelsea striker I’ve ever seen. I include Tony Cascarino, Joe Allon and Dave Mitchell in that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, east lower said: Broja says hi 😉 I’d have to give Broja ( unfortunately) a bit more time to make a fair comparison. Different sorts of players obviously. Going back a bit but Jesper Gronkiar ( spelling?) was in a similar box to Werner ( speedy headless chicken) but cost fec all and got a decent goal now and again. For the money we paid , Werner gave us absolutely nothing over two seasons. Spurs actually seem excited about his arrival ! They obviously weren’t paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 19 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: I’d have to give Broja ( unfortunately) a bit more time to make a fair comparison. Different sorts of players obviously. Going back a bit but Jesper Gronkiar ( spelling?) was in a similar box to Werner ( speedy headless chicken) but cost fec all and got a decent goal now and again. For the money we paid , Werner gave us absolutely nothing over two seasons. Spurs actually seem excited about his arrival ! They obviously weren’t paying attention. Fair enough, but please believe me and save yourself the inevitable disappointment he’s possibly the worst professional footballer I’ve watched in the last 15 years or so at Chelsea. Chris Sutton was more effective than this fella. I can only hope that a club thinks he is the next Solanke, and a late maturer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 48 minutes ago, east lower said: Fair enough, but please believe me and save yourself the inevitable disappointment he’s possibly the worst professional footballer I’ve watched in the last 15 years or so at Chelsea. Chris Sutton was more effective than this fella. I can only hope that a club thinks he is the next Solanke, and a late maturer. 🤣🤣🤣 I wonder what we saw in him . Somebody must have rubber stamped this buy. He looks disturbingly like a young Jimmy Hill RIP too ( although I gather Jimmy Hill was a decent player in his day!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 47 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: 🤣🤣🤣 I wonder what we saw in him . Somebody must have rubber stamped this buy. He looks disturbingly like a young Jimmy Hill RIP too ( although I gather Jimmy Hill was a decent player in his day!) What’s worse is who we actually took him from as a younger man - poxy Spuds!! He has the magnificent record of 2 goals in 26 ish games for us. That alone was reason enough for it to be pure madness to go into the season with him as a back-up, never mind him coming back from a season-long injury. Plus his chin is going to mean he’s offside more than Timo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 50 minutes ago, NoblyBobly said: 🤣🤣🤣 I wonder what we saw in him . Somebody must have rubber stamped this buy. He looks disturbingly like a young Jimmy Hill RIP too ( although I gather Jimmy Hill was a decent player in his day!) Well NB...I actually saw Jimmy Hill play...one Christmas game at Craven Cottage v Manure...but also Johnny Haynes Tony Macedo and Tosh Chamberlain (the joker in the pack) a great Manure side and the time I became a Denis Law acolyte...(not Manure!)..Fun trivia fact,,,he was also ex Boys Brigade and presented the prizes at a District PT competition which I remember because we won and I accepted the cup! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 2 hours ago, NoblyBobly said: I’d have to give Broja ( unfortunately) a bit more time to make a fair comparison. Different sorts of players obviously. Going back a bit but Jesper Gronkiar ( spelling?) was in a similar box to Werner ( speedy headless chicken) but cost fec all and got a decent goal now and again. For the money we paid , Werner gave us absolutely nothing over two seasons. Spurs actually seem excited about his arrival ! They obviously weren’t paying attention. Gronkjaer cost us like £8m back in 2000 and was the second most expensive signing we made that summer behind JFH. It was a decent chunk of change at the time. Werner cost more but also arrived on the back of two prolific seasons and arguably one of the most dangerous forwards in the Bundesliga. Neither panned out of course, but I think it's harsh to say "Werner gave us absolutely nothing". We always looked a better side when he played despite his struggles in front of goal. We also didn't lose a Champions League game in which he played IIRC. While none of us like Spurs, I do have a soft spot for Werner personally and wouldn't mind seeing him do well on the provision Spurs drop points. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 15 minutes ago, xceleryx said: Gronkjaer cost us like £8m back in 2000 and was the second most expensive signing we made that summer behind JFH. It was a decent chunk of change at the time. Werner cost more but also arrived on the back of two prolific seasons and arguably one of the most dangerous forwards in the Bundesliga. Neither panned out of course, but I think it's harsh to say "Werner gave us absolutely nothing". We always looked a better side when he played despite his struggles in front of goal. We also didn't lose a Champions League game in which he played IIRC. While none of us like Spurs, I do have a soft spot for Werner personally and wouldn't mind seeing him do well on the provision Spurs drop points. Agreed. No issue with him scoring in losing games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 45 minutes ago, east lower said: He has the magnificent record of 2 goals in 26 ish games for us. That alone was reason enough for it to be pure madness to go into the season with him as a back-up, never mind him coming back from a season-long injury. Broja? I make it 3 goals in all in 10 starts in all comps. or 2 in 8 for the prem. 9 in 24 for Southampton as a 20 yo Not brilliant for a striker but not a laughing matter. [A lot of his subs were for small minutes and he has never completed the 90 for us] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 33 minutes ago, Dwmh said: Broja? I make it 3 goals in all in 10 starts in all comps. or 2 in 8 for the prem. 9 in 24 for Southampton as a 20 yo Not brilliant for a striker but not a laughing matter. [A lot of his subs were for small minutes and he has never completed the 90 for us] Goals aren't everything that needs to be considered though. He wasn't good enough even when at Southampton and I said as much then, his overall game looked years behind where it needed to be and unless a massive uptick in development was to happen he was unlikely to ever be good enough for what we need. After injury he looks worse, so that's made the job much tougher for him to be good enough. Still think we should've take the £30m or so that was being floated about after he returned from loan, but it is what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, xceleryx said: Gronkjaer cost us like £8m back in 2000 and was the second most expensive signing we made that summer behind JFH. It was a decent chunk of change at the time. Werner cost more but also arrived on the back of two prolific seasons and arguably one of the most dangerous forwards in the Bundesliga. Neither panned out of course, but I think it's harsh to say "Werner gave us absolutely nothing". We always looked a better side when he played despite his struggles in front of goal. We also didn't lose a Champions League game in which he played IIRC. While none of us like Spurs, I do have a soft spot for Werner personally and wouldn't mind seeing him do well on the provision Spurs drop points. Totally agree broski. I always felt the opposition were genuinely wary of Timo. Despite his faults I wished we’d kept him, because £90m on Mudryk…🙃😬🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 38 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: Totally agree broski. I always felt the opposition were genuinely wary of Timo. Despite his faults I wished we’d kept him, because £90m on Mudryk…🙃😬🙈 Thankfully we didn't spend £90m on Mudryk either then. 😄 Others might not see it or agree, but I do think Mudryk will go on to have a decent impact for us down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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