Original 21 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 In case anyone was wondering… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backbiter Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I can only guess that Chelsea want him as cover in case Badiashile's form continues to plummet and is on course to fall below Sarr levels in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 17 minutes ago, Backbiter said: I can only guess that Chelsea want him as cover in case Badiashile's form continues to plummet and is on course to fall below Sarr levels in the very near future. Don't we get to register a new squad at end January? Anyone know if he has been included this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Chelsea_Matt said: I would tend to agree with you Mr K, but maybe the players just aren’t up it. Out of everyone we’ve signed, IMO the only ones worth the money so far are Palmer, maybe Nkunku as he’s got two in two (yes I know it’s a stretch!), Petrovic, Madueke and possibly Carney. Sterling flits in and out. Again just IMO, Caicedo, Mudryk, Enzo, Jackson, Fofana, Cucurella and Sanchez are a total waste of hundreds of millions. Absolute shit, all of them. That and all the South American children. Lavia? Who knows? £50m on a cripple. Gusto, Les, and Badashile - meh. IMO. I agree about Palmer, Petrovich and Carney. Madueke is obviously still very raw but has enough about him to be hopeful he can come good. Sterling just isn't worth anywhere his £350k a week. I'd move him on if we could. I also put Gusto, Badiadshile (despite his horrid form) and Lavia as talented players who could be very good ones in a year or so. Also not giving up on Jackson. Imho Sanchez is a pefectly decent back up keeper. Just overpaid for him. Caisedo is struggling and looks worth a fraction of what we paid for him. Cucu is an squad level player. Enzo, I'm afraid is just not quick enough for this league. He's probably the slowest midfielder I've seen in this league and that lack of pace was brutally exposed again on Wednesday. Someone this slow at the heart of team is always going to be a problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, patThenevin said: Really interesting stuff.....and bloody scary what the loss of value (particularly as it turns out they have been a bunch of duds) will do to our long term finances. Not loss of value. Amortised value. Two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patThenevin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Ham said: Not loss of value. Amortised value. Two different things. But one very same thing when our policy of 'investing' in youth turns out not to be the same as investing Arab money in hoovering up state assets. Which is what these clowns have attempted to do. We have secured the club's future against the casino one billion investment in a load of young trash. Amortisation based upon insane fees paid and an asset write down value that is based on nothing but the delusions of the financier owners. Then again I'd get back to blaming Poch if I were you..... But thanks nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, patThenevin said: But one very same thing when our policy of 'investing' in youth turns out not to be the same as investing Arab money in hoovering up state assets. Which is what these clowns have attempted to do. We have secured the club's future against the casino one billion investment in a load of young trash. Amortisation based upon insane fees paid and an asset write down value that is based on nothing but the delusions of the financier owners. Then again I'd get back to blaming Poch if I were you..... But thanks nonetheless I don't believe Ham has blamed Poch at all . That would be me. I'm blaming him every day and twice on Sundays . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mark Kelly said: Thank goodness we have nine keepers you never know when you might need them: Man after my own heart Mark!🙃 nice to know the Club has cover at the back 1 and 1/2 worth a place out of 9 is pretty good!,,,,but then again that is a bit vague as I'm not sure how many of them get a game more than twice a season!🏌️♂️ Edited February 2 by chara 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 The Poch is not THE problem but part of THE PROBLEM...DeJa'Vu almost of the impoverished " bad old days" except instead of a bunch of young home grown somewhat less talented players playing their hearts out we have a very expensive bunch of mixed talented youngsters just playing at playing. Breaks my heart...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandproud Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 5 hours ago, patThenevin said: Where the hell is the accountability fpr these charlatans. They and their financier clown boss are 100% culpable for the impact now.....and even worse, in the future their disgusting, scattergun approach to signings has and will have on Chels Can blame players, the manager but for me these three are peak blame for what is going on at the bridge. What the average football owner knows about football FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ham Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 If Carney and Nkunku are as good as I hope they're going to be, with Jackson and Palmer nailed on starters, where is the club's motivating to offer a big contract to Gallagher? I know he's a different type of player, and I've always been a fan of his, but is he the type of player who's going to bring us to the next level? He's been short of assists and goals. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 44 minutes ago, Ham said: If Carney and Nkunku are as good as I hope they're going to be, with Jackson and Palmer nailed on starters, where is the club's motivating to offer a big contract to Gallagher? I know he's a different type of player, and I've always been a fan of his, but is he the type of player who's going to bring us to the next level? He's been short of assists and goals. Thoughts? My thought process would be as follows… • Along with Cole Palmer, has been our best player this season so far • Never gets injured and attitude is superb. Yes he does need to add more goals, but he has the third amount of assists this season behind Sterling and Palmer. Is first in a number of other statistics • Given injury records to Chukwuemeka, Lavia and Nkunku, I still think we would have to replace Gallagher, and in which case, you have to ask what is the point? • £150k a week wages is £39m over 5 years. I’d be amazed if we can get a player of the same calibre to even close to that. For example, a £30m signing could only be paid £35k per week without costing more • Academy player who runs his socks off, seems to be a top professional and unlikely to moan by not starting every week. A lot to be said for characters like him in the squad IMO. Some of this is factual, some of this is subjective, but I would renew his contract in a heartbeat. If we need to raise cash for signings I would be looking at Kepa, Ziyech, Lukaku, Sarr, Chalobah, Broja and Maatsen first. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Ham said: If Carney and Nkunku are as good as I hope they're going to be, with Jackson and Palmer nailed on starters, where is the club's motivating to offer a big contract to Gallagher? I know he's a different type of player, and I've always been a fan of his, but is he the type of player who's going to bring us to the next level? He's been short of assists and goals. Thoughts? We have been sitting on the successors to Jorginho and Kante for a while now. The next Jorginho was obviously Mount, a passer with perhaps more energy. The next (next best) Kante is Gallagher. Quite how the club so underated them that they thought they needed Fernandez, Caicedo and Lavia to play those roles I don't know. They have the experience to play those roles, Caicedo and Lavia don't. In a month or two Gallagher will start thinking where he wants to be next season. He has one year on his contract, has only been unavailable for one game in his career I believe (Suspension, obvs) so despite making his debut for Chelsea only last season will be availale for a cheap fee and big contract (rumours of us selling him for a big fee are silly - contract ends next season). When he looks around to see where he can play CM, the one club he is likely to exclude is the club that just spent a quarter of a billion on Fernandez, Caicedo and Lavia with Casadei and Big Les as back up. All bought in the 6 months after Gallagher broke through here. Wherever he goes I damn sure he'll get a massive cheer when he comes back to the Bridge (even when he inevitably scores). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Trouble. He was apparently an adviser to City . Did a great job seeing as they're facing 115 charges 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 19 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Trouble. FFP is measured over 3 seasons, not 3 windows. Why would January be crucial? We've got a lot of sales in the offing for the summer. We were comfortably ok on account of amortisation last summer. Not much has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Rob B said: Some of this is factual, some of this is subjective, but I would renew his contract in a heartbeat. If we need to raise cash for signings I would be looking at Kepa, Ziyech, Lukaku, Sarr, Chalobah, Broja and Maatsen first. I would say we've been looking at these players as well, the big issue with several of them however is that they're on astronomical wages as a whole, or relative to their present day quality and level, from the previous ownership. So not only are they challenging to sell generally, the profit margins are thin to non-existent because of their remaining value likely supersedes their transfer value, or what others would be willing to pay for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 6 minutes ago, Ham said: FFP is measured over 3 seasons, not 3 windows. Why would January be crucial? We've got a lot of sales in the offing for the summer. We were comfortably ok on account of amortisation last summer. Not much has changed. It's not "the summer" though. The deadline is June 30th. Euros will be going on in the middle of June - how are we going to sell the likes of Gallagher when he will be off with England? Spells trouble. Every club will know we desperately need the money and... as we've seen with Broja... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 17 minutes ago, Ham said: FFP is measured over 3 seasons, not 3 windows. Why would January be crucial? We've got a lot of sales in the offing for the summer. We were comfortably ok on account of amortisation last summer. Not much has changed. I'm not sure - when does the season end? Or rather the financial year. If it is end June we have some time but not a great deal. Who are we selling in June who is either not playing for us anyway (Lukaku, Ziyech or Kepa) or has a contract that expires after the end of next season Gallagher. Or has a 7 year contract and still might be worth six sevenths of what we paid for them? Note the advantage of selling Academy products is not just there is a profit to be booked, but there would be no loss to be booked immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd25 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Not exactly easy to move some of our players on when clubs know we’re desperate to sell, but maybe Saudi can bale us out. Truth is we need a top striker and a top centre back in during the summer to replace Silva, but we might have to the face the fact that this isn’t possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I don’t believe that video for a second if I’m honest, but make no mistake, if we genuinely do have problems leading up to 30th June then that is mismanagement from the board of the highest order. You can kind of understand that over a 3 year period, you have some unexpected costs/losses as a football club, I.e, sacking a manager and paying compensation, losing out on CL football, matchday or sponsorship revenue down do an economic climate etc, but we have actively gone out and spent hundreds of millions last summer. And a significant amount was what I would call ‘speculative’ purchases for 5 years time. I simply can’t believe that with the financial resource available I.e, accountants, analysts etc, that they could fall foul of the rules so quickly. It would be sheer incompetence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 7 hours ago, Rob B said: I don’t believe that video for a second if I’m honest, but make no mistake, if we genuinely do have problems leading up to 30th June then that is mismanagement from the board of the highest order. You can kind of understand that over a 3 year period, you have some unexpected costs/losses as a football club, I.e, sacking a manager and paying compensation, losing out on CL football, matchday or sponsorship revenue down do an economic climate etc, but we have actively gone out and spent hundreds of millions last summer. And a significant amount was what I would call ‘speculative’ purchases for 5 years time. I simply can’t believe that with the financial resource available I.e, accountants, analysts etc, that they could fall foul of the rules so quickly. It would be sheer incompetence. Isn’t it obvious we’ve already fallen foul of our ludicrous overspending? FFP breach or not we’ve gone from splashing the cash to needing to sell our best player to generate cash flow. We don’t need to breach to wake up and realise - we’ve blown the vast majority or our budget and almost all of our assets have depreciated. We are relying on reselling those assets but none have any current market value. Therefore we place a premium on selling academy players and prefer to risk losing one of our best players this season in Gallagher. All the while we stay mid table as our identity and quality degrades. Some stability and growth happens but our rivals grow faster and have their eyes on the prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy1905 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Fofana at the double. Todd and the boys will be getting a stiffy thinking about the profit !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 28 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Isn’t it obvious we’ve already fallen foul of our ludicrous overspending? FFP breach or not we’ve gone from splashing the cash to needing to sell our best player to generate cash flow. We don’t need to breach to wake up and realise - we’ve blown the vast majority or our budget and almost all of our assets have depreciated. We are relying on reselling those assets but none have any current market value. Therefore we place a premium on selling academy players and prefer to risk losing one of our best players this season in Gallagher. All the while we stay mid table as our identity and quality degrades. Some stability and growth happens but our rivals grow faster and have their eyes on the prize. Our players will all be worth more when someone upstairs realises that Pochettino isn't "good with young players" and did OK at Spurs because they had Kane and Son and Aldeweireld and no other reason and even at his absolute peak Spurs remained Spursy. The board have invested heavily in the team and Pochettino is making them all worse at playing football. Surely someone will cotton onto that fact soon surely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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