Transfer Talk Topic

[ChelseaJambo]

5 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

I like Madueke. Had a good end to last season, and a good pre season

I quite liked him at first but I just think his attitude comes across really badly

[Miguelito07]

25 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

The biggest problem isn't who we sell, it's the fact that we think going back into Felix makes any semblance of sense. He is an absolute lightweight.

100% agree. Not sure what the board see in him that Barcelona couldnt. But then again, i dont know what the board are up to.

I guess this has to do with swapping Gallagher.

Edited August 19 by Miguelito07

[Bison]

37 minutes ago, paulw66 said:

but I thought the manager had no input on player signings and it was all down to anyone else.

To be fair, Maresca has agreed to be the face for all the nonsense the sporting directors do. They gave him one wish and he squandered it on a Championship player. 

[thevelourfog]

Absolutely insane we're buying a player we didn't take up an option on a year ago so in order to fund the sale of another. Reflects terribly on us specifically, but also says a whole lot about football more generally and none of it good.

[Bison]

So it cost us 50m to sell Gallagher for 35m.

[Blue Orca]

5 hours ago, Sleeping Dave said:

The lad has no meaningful first team experience. He's 18. He isn't a generational talent. He's a hard-working striker who shines when he plays against players in his own age group. He is nowhere near ready to make a meaningful contribution to a PL side chasing a CL spot. We don't need to see him play in 10-15 games for us to draw that conclusion. It's enough to have watched him in pre-season and yesterday. 

At the moment he isn't ready to contribute. He might be in the future, but that is years away. 

 

Well, we are going to find out as it looks like he will be playing a part this season unless we sign a main forward. 

[Blue Orca]

10 minutes ago, Bison said:

To be fair, Maresca has agreed to be the face for all the nonsense the sporting directors do. They gave him one wish and he squandered it on a Championship player. 

He is certainly a PL player.

[Max Fowler]

6 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Absolutely insane we're buying a player we didn't take up an option on a year ago so in order to fund the sale of another. Reflects terribly on us specifically, but also says a whole lot about football more generally and none of it good.

It's an easy excuse to blame the state of football. As an example, City sold Palmer because he wanted to leave and wasn't getting minutes. We forced Gallagher, a key player last season, to leave partly in order to sign a player our previous manager didn't want.

It's a unique situation.

[Max Fowler]

1 minute ago, Blue Orca said:

He is certainly a PL player.

If that were so certain, wouldn't he have been snapped up when Leicester went down?

[Blue Orca]

6 hours ago, east lower said:

I am genuinely happy with having KDH. He looked the best player on the park during our FA Cup game with Leicester last season.

But…………….already he’s not doing the same things he was doing at Leicester that made him stand out.  That needs to change to stop any negatives.

Yes, we do seem to stop players who are really successful playing a certain way and morph them into a so so system player.  I was hoping this had stopped after seeing how  Palmer performed  last season. 

[Bison]

5 minutes ago, Blue Orca said:

He is certainly a PL player.

I mean sure, he now plays for a Premier League club. 

[east lower]

Felix looks confirmed, goody gum-drops.

[McCreadie]

8 minutes ago, thevelourfog said:

Absolutely insane we're buying a player we didn't take up an option on a year ago so in order to fund the sale of another. Reflects terribly on us specifically, but also says a whole lot about football more generally and none of it good.

I agree about it reflecting badly on football in general, but I dont think it reflects badly on specifically us. The issue is that FFP/PSR is clearly set up to discourage the development and retention of homegrown players. That sucks and needs addressing quickly. 

[McCreadie]

8 minutes ago, Max Fowler said:

We forced Gallagher, a key player last season, to leave partly in order to sign a player our previous manager didn't want.

No we didn't. 

Gallagher is leaving because we cannot agree a contract with him and he is in his last year. End of.

Whoever else we end up signing, Omorodion, Felix etc is nothing to do with Gallagher leaving. It is to do with making a deal with Atletico.

If Gallagher was going to Spurs and we didn't want any of their crap players, he would still be leaving.

[blueboy1905]

Joao Felix .... possibly the most underwhelming signing in the last few years. Not his fault but just pointless. We might as well be called Spreadsheet FC.

[Bison]

1 minute ago, blueboy1905 said:

Joao Felix .... possibly the most underwhelming signing in the last few years. Not his fault but just pointless. We might as well be called Spreadsheet FC.

Don't be so negative! Even though Felix has been a colossal failure everywhere he's been since leaving Benfica we needed to get this done in order to sell Gallagher. It's just the cost of doing business.

[chiswickblue]

14 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

No we didn't. 

Gallagher is leaving because we cannot agree a contract with him and he is in his last year. End of.

Whoever else we end up signing, Omorodion, Felix etc is nothing to do with Gallagher leaving. It is to do with making a deal with Atletico.

If Gallagher was going to Spurs and we didn't want any of their crap players, he would still be leaving.

He either wasn't offered a contract, or was offered a derisory contract, depending on which report you believe. Similar to the Mason Mount situation, this has been a massive club PR effort to try and paint this as a Courtois situation, when it's anything but.

One of last season's crucial players is being forced out because it helps the club balance the books and continue their scattergun approach to player recruitment.

At least Omorodion was a reasonable prospect. Why we are signing Felix I don't know. He isn't good enough and we already have at least two top options in his position.

[Original 21]

Wasn’t expecting us to sign Joao Felix FFS, but I bow to the wisdom of our new overlords. 

[JaneB]

I feel as if I'm in the middle of a bad dream or that I'm watching a car crash in slow motion and there's nothing I can do to help.

 

[east lower]

21 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

No we didn't. 

Gallagher is leaving because we cannot agree a contract with him and he is in his last year. End of.

Whoever else we end up signing, Omorodion, Felix etc is nothing to do with Gallagher leaving. It is to do with making a deal with Atletico.

If Gallagher was going to Spurs and we didn't want any of their crap players, he would still be leaving.

They’ve engineered his exit to do the deal with Athleti. It’s all about the accounting and very little to do with football.  Forced, engineering, couldn’t agree a new contract- just a play on words.

Do you know what he was being paid last year, whilst steadying our midfield and captaining the side in the absence of James and Chilwell?

Any idea what the generous offer they made for a new contract?

He was paid a sixth of what they’re paying Caicedo and Fernandez. The new offer was 50% of those named wages. They needed him gone and as you (and I have said a month back), the PSR rules as they stand almost encourage the sale of home grown talent, rather then reward clubs for the longer term use of them.

[Original 21]

Just now, JaneB said:

I feel as if I'm in the middle of a bad dream or that I'm watching a car crash in slow motion and there's nothing I can do to help.

 

Call an ambulance perhaps?

[east lower]

2 minutes ago, JaneB said:

I feel as if I'm in the middle of a bad dream or that I'm watching a car crash in slow motion and there's nothing I can do to help.

 

Welcome to the club.

[chara]

1 minute ago, Original 21 said:

Call an ambulance perhaps?

Better to give Jane a bit of emotional (Chelsea) support...and leave some for me!

[Ham]

3 minutes ago, east lower said:

They’ve engineered his exit to do the deal with Athleti. It’s all about the accounting and very little to do with football.  Forced, engineering, couldn’t agree a new contract- just a play on words.

Do you know what he was being paid last year, whilst steadying our midfield and captaining the side in the absence of James and Chilwell?

Any idea what the generous offer they made for a new contract?

He was paid a sixth of what they’re paying Caicedo and Fernandez. The new offer was 50% of those named wages. They needed him gone and as you (and I have said a month back), the PSR rules as they stand almost encourage the sale of home grown talent, rather then reward clubs for the longer term use of them.

It was reported everywhere that the new offer was the same as the highest paid midfielders at the club = Enzo and Moises.  

Where are you getting 50% from?

[Max Fowler]

37 minutes ago, McCreadie said:

No we didn't. 

Gallagher is leaving because we cannot agree a contract with him and he is in his last year. End of.

Whoever else we end up signing, Omorodion, Felix etc is nothing to do with Gallagher leaving. It is to do with making a deal with Atletico.

If Gallagher was going to Spurs and we didn't want any of their crap players, he would still be leaving.

Of course it is - selling Gallagher is about freeing up pure profit to spend on incomings.

We are choosing to sell to Atletico and spend that cash on Felix.

Therefore, my statement, "We forced Gallagher, a key player last season, to leave partly in order to sign a player our previous manager didn't want" is absolutely true.

We could not agree a contract with him because we offered him a contract only to protect him as an asset to sell in a couple of years while we offer 8 and 9 year contracts to players who have done nothing for us in comparison with him.