Bison Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Christ almighty The worst squad building of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Proud-Blue said: I think Sancho would be good for us. But for me it only makes sense if we are shipping Sterling and Mudryk. With Sancho and Neto left, Mudryk gets nowhere near the team. Mudryk has been miles, miles better than Sancho in the EPL - it's night and day I have perhaps been the biggest critic of "Dudryk" but even he is better than Sancho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Max Fowler said: Mudryk has been miles, miles better than Sancho in the EPL - it's night and day I have perhaps been the biggest critic of "Dudryk" but even he is better than Sancho I know Sancho has been bad but I doubt he's been that bad. Mudryk is one of the worst players at this level, it's simply impossible that he can be miles better than anybody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just now, Max Fowler said: Mudryk has been miles, miles better than Sancho in the EPL - it's night and day I have perhaps been the biggest critic of "Dudryk" but even he is better than Sancho The difference is the level Sancho showed at Dortmund (I've watched them every week for about 12 years) in both the Bundesliga and the Champions League is higher than anything Mudryk has managed. The problems at Man U are well documented, but moving to a club he actually wants to play for will help. He absolutely can do it in the PL, but he needs to be out of Man U to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I reckon the way to replace two massively underperforming expensive attackers is to do literally anything but sign a third one. Madness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedMiddle Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Proud-Blue said: The difference is the level Sancho showed at Dortmund (I've watched them every week for about 12 years) in both the Bundesliga and the Champions League is higher than anything Mudryk has managed. The problems at Man U are well documented, but moving to a club he actually wants to play for will help. He absolutely can do it in the PL, but he needs to be out of Man U to do it. I watched a lot of Sancho for Dortmund and he was brilliant. If he gets back to those levels we're onto a winner. Mudryk hasn't been miles better than anyone in the premier league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, Proud-Blue said: The difference is the level Sancho showed at Dortmund (I've watched them every week for about 12 years) in both the Bundesliga and the Champions League is higher than anything Mudryk has managed. The problems at Man U are well documented, but moving to a club he actually wants to play for will help. He absolutely can do it in the PL, but he needs to be out of Man U to do it. Did you watch Mudryk before we signed him? Arguably Delli Ali has reached a higher level than both Mudryk and Sancho - does that mean we should sign him too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ShedMiddle said: I watched a lot of Sancho for Dortmund and he was brilliant. If he gets back to those levels we're onto a winner. Mudryk hasn't been miles better than anyone in the premier league. I don’t think you understand how bad and how much of a nuisance Sancho has been for Man United. Not just terrible on the pitch but an off field mess as well. At least mudryk has largely kept himself quiet. Edited August 30 by Max Fowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, Max Fowler said: Did you watch Mudryk before we signed him? Arguably Delli Ali has reached a higher level than both Mudryk and Sancho - does that mean we should sign him too? Mudryk played a few very good games in the CL, and some in the Ukrainian league with a much smaller sample size than Sancho in an inferior league. I honestly don't think they're comparable. A fairer comparison would be with Sterling, and clearly Sterling has done more throughout his career at a higher level. So I understand why some would be sceptical about replacing Sterling with Sancho, but not Mudryk. As for Dele Alli, I'm not sure that's a fair comparison either. There's a lot of reasons why his career dropped off, and it obviously makes no sense to approach him. Totally different context. I'm not saying the transfer is without risk. It clearly is since he's had problems at Man U. I just don't think it's some kind of disaster like so many seem to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I find it difficult to understand how we can clearly need a new CB and possibly a CF and instead we are seemingly pouring all our resources into another busted flush winger and trying to get rid of Sterling on the cheap . It seems mental to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedMiddle Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: I don’t think you understand how bad and how much of a nuisance Sancho has been for Man United. Not just terrible on the pitch but an off field mess as well. At least mudryk has largely kept himself quiet. I understand that but, then maybe we can turn that around. He did okay at Dortmund on and off the field. We've had players in the past with attitude issues that have thrived here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, Proud-Blue said: Mudryk played a few very good games in the CL, and some in the Ukrainian league with a much smaller sample size than Sancho in an inferior league. I honestly don't think they're comparable. A fairer comparison would be with Sterling, and clearly Sterling has done more throughout his career at a higher level. So I understand why some would be sceptical about replacing Sterling with Sancho, but not Mudryk. As for Dele Alli, I'm not sure that's a fair comparison either. There's a lot of reasons why his career dropped off, and it obviously makes no sense to approach him. Totally different context. I'm not saying the transfer is without risk. It clearly is since he's had problems at Man U. I just don't think it's some kind of disaster like so many seem to. How is Deli Alli any different? You are literally talking about the two worst attitude players of the last 5-10 seasons in Sancho and Deli Ali, we at least know some of what is causing Deli's problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, ShedMiddle said: I understand that but, then maybe we can turn that around. He did okay at Dortmund on and off the field. We've had players in the past with attitude issues that have thrived here Like who out of interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: I find it difficult to understand how we can clearly need a new CB, *a Defensive Midfielder and possibly a CF and instead we are seemingly pouring all our resources into another busted flush winger and trying to get rid of Sterling on the cheap . It seems mental to me. I've added the defensive midfielder we need. Every game we've played this season has seen the opposition bulldoze their way through our midfield as if it doesn't exist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShedMiddle Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Like who out of interest? Costa, Anelka and even Hazard had question marks before coming here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Get Osimhen and the whole fanbase is united. The excitement it would create would be off the scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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xceleryx Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Thiago97 said: Alternatively, plan accordingly and make it known in football circles that Sterling is available at the start of the window. You might end up in a scenario where you are not forced into rash decisions on the final day of the window. It comes back to the whole not my type of winger comment in mid August. Everyone knows Sterling the player, if this is true, we had months to do a deal on him. Okay, but that's just not practical either because situations are ever changing. A player can be in a managers or clubs plans initially, then their future can change to where they aren't needed. Heck, even if a player is told at the beginning you still need teams to showcase interest, which for a player like Sterling and his wages is going to be challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 11 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: How is Deli Alli any different? You are literally talking about the two worst attitude players of the last 5-10 seasons in Sancho and Deli Ali, we at least know some of what is causing Deli's problems Yes but I think the context is different as you indicated. Deli Alli had very understandable reasons, Sancho fell out with his manager but also had very few issues at Dortmund. I don't believe he's a toxic player, especially given he's not the first player to have problems there. And we've other players who apparently had terrible attitudes elsewhere but were good for us (Anelka, even Felix apparnently). I genuinely don't believe those issues get replicated at a team he actually supports. I'm getting on a plane so won't be able to respond for a few hours. Maybe we will have signed a whole new squad by the time I land! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 If we manage to get Osimhen and Sancho in, and Sterling out, I think that’d be a pretty good day’s work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Ornstein saying Broja to Ipswich has been "revived". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 9 minutes ago, Proud-Blue said: I'm getting on a plane so won't be able to respond for a few hours. Maybe we will have signed a whole new squad by the time I land! Who is your medical with? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 6 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Ornstein saying Broja to Ipswich has been "revived". What? His ankle is better now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoblyBobly Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Lordy, it looks like Osimhen is coming on loan with option to buy. He’s on his way to Chelsea now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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