Mark Kelly Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Original 21 said: Don’t we have to sell some players before 30 June for FFP reasons first? We’ve got two weeks left and as far as I can tell we haven’t sold anyone yet. Does anyone know the figures we need to meet? It seems a daft date to pick considering Europe's window doesn't open until 1st July , maybe UEFA are trying to punish City but are taking the easier option again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 hours ago, DannyLB said: I cannot understand why we're interested in Lautaro Martinez. You'd think we'd want a more focal point for our striker options and not move for a player that has played off of a #9 for years. One of those players who I know cannot be completely useless, the stats show that, bur has been absolutely shocking every time I have watched them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bob Singleton Posted June 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Original 21 said: Don’t we have to sell some players before 30 June for FFP reasons first? We’ve got two weeks left and as far as I can tell we haven’t sold anyone yet. Does anyone know the figures we need to meet? 1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said: It seems a daft date to pick considering Europe's window doesn't open until 1st July , maybe UEFA are trying to punish City but are taking the easier option again. There are different opinions regarding our FFP 'commitments' depending on who you believe. The figures I've seen reported the most are around the €20-€30m range (or £20-£30m range from UK based media), but who knows? FFP is calculated on a rolling three year basis, so it wouldn't be difficult for someone with a little time on their hands to work out how much we've spent during the last 3 years (and don't forget to amortize! Something I believe a lot of media commentators fail to do... they just see us spending £200m, £300m, £500m or whatever and think we need to recoup similar amounts) and what sales we've made to get a very rough estimate (which of course wouldn't take into account wages, which are also calculated for FFP purposes) As for the dates; 1st July to 30th June has long been the 'Western European Football Season Calendar', so when FFP was introduced it made sense for UEFA to follow that calendar. Regarding "transfer windows", as I've said many times before, stop thinking TRANSFER and start thinking REGISTRATION. Clubs can agree transfers between themselves at any time they want. They can transfer funds at any time they want. The only thing they can't do is register players whenever they want. That happens during the misnamed 'transfer window" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original 21 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Could be some interesting developments… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, Original 21 said: Could be some interesting developments… Let's hope we come out these negotiations not looking like chumps that we have become used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, thevelourfog said: One of those players who I know cannot be completely useless, the stats show that, bur has been absolutely shocking every time I have watched them. Lautaro is either useless or class, there's little in between. Edited June 12, 2023 by xceleryx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 The only ones who are going to benefit from this are our bald supporters. Also reminds me that he had an on pitch bust up with Dzeko against Porto this season and had to be held back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 On 11/06/2023 at 10:56, thevelourfog said: Not personally bothered by the broader disagreement between you and @Max Fowler here, but I am gonna say I disagree with the bolded bit. 2012 was incredible and nothing will top it for me because it's just a better story ... Like you say, it was a team of legends beyond their best pulling out unexpected after unexpected result. But in 2021, in the CL (and indeed in every competition once Tuchel came in), we were brilliant. Much better than the 2012 side, and by some distance the best team in the CL. We won it by outplaying everyone we came up against, usually comprehensively. We might not feel as much affection for those players or that win and I'd understand why, but I don't see that what you are saying stands up to the facts. I'd have backed that Chelsea in that period to beat anyone they came up against in Europe when it really mattered. And they did. The best team I ever witnessed in my life time as far as entertainment goes. I never thought we would ever outplay the best teams in europe in my life time. We did and that will stick in my mind for ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 So we sell Mount for 60 million and hope to get Rice for a lot more It's ridiculous!. Mount is a better player can't you see it???. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, kev61 said: So we sell Mount for 60 million and hope to get Rice for a lot more It's ridiculous!. It will be, if it happens that way. Atm, it hasn't. 30 minutes ago, kev61 said: Mount is a better player can't you see it???. I think that they're pretty close tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, kev61 said: So we sell Mount for 60 million and hope to get Rice for a lot more It's ridiculous!. Mount is a better player can't you see it???. You can't just compare both players 1:1, there's an element of supply and demand. Rice plays a position where they're aren't many really good options that are available, most are either gambles coming from other league's, aren't as good as a whole, or are already at established clubs. Mount plays in a position where there's a greater pool of talent to pick from, so in turn becomes easier to replace. Edit. Mount's contract situation also plays a part. He's got one year remaining, while Rice has one, plus the club option of another. This means value gets retained better in Rices situation. Edited June 13, 2023 by xceleryx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev61 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Michael Tucker said: It will be, if it happens that way. Atm, it hasn't. I think that they're pretty close tbh. Then why would you sell a player that is at least as good?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, kev61 said: Then why would you sell a player that is at least as good?. Kev, you're asking the wrong guy! The obvious answer is that I wouldn't, but I don't own/run the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDCW Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 hours ago, xceleryx said: The only ones who are going to benefit from this are our bald supporters. Also reminds me that he had an on pitch bust up with Dzeko against Porto this season and had to be held back. Onana might be a big lad, but my money would be on Dzeko! They breed em tough in The Balkans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 One thing to be optimistic about - no Europe so we don't need so many new signings. One thing to be pessimistic about - clubs know we need to sell so are holding us to ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: One thing to be optimistic about - no Europe so we don't need so many new signings. One thing to be pessimistic about - clubs know we need to sell so are holding us to ransom. Thanks. For. That. 🫶🏻🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTG Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 hours ago, kev61 said: So we sell Mount for 60 million and hope to get Rice for a lot more It's ridiculous!. Mount is a better player can't you see it???. Rice will not come back to Chelsea for all the tea in china, especially if the club sells his best mate. Rice want CL football and other clubs with CL football are interested. Poch might be a good coach, but i really do not think he can convince snr pros looking for CL football to come to the club unless they are mercenaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, ROTG said: Rice will not come back to Chelsea for all the tea in china, especially if the club sells his best mate. Rice want CL football and other clubs with CL football are interested. Poch might be a good coach, but i really do not think he can convince snr pros looking for CL football to come to the club unless they are mercenaries. I would agree Mr Gizmo - and imo we have enough throughly dislikable mercenaries as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holymoly Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Mbappe coming to the market will throw a spanner in the works of other strikers seeking a new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Please, no. Recipe for disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Holymoly said: Mbappe coming to the market will throw a spanner in the works of other strikers seeking a new club. So overrated like the weirdo Neymar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fowler Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 57 minutes ago, Blue Moon said: Please, no. Recipe for disaster. Anyone who would say no to Mbappe or Neymar given our current strike force deserves a temporary account suspension on here. Unfortunately these rumours persist every year and we haven't got a cat in hell's chance of signing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Matt Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Max Fowler said: Anyone who would say no to Mbappe or Neymar given our current strike force deserves a temporary account suspension on here. Unfortunately these rumours persist every year and we haven't got a cat in hell's chance of signing either. You ARE Jimmy Prescott!! 🤣🤣🫶🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Chelsea_Matt said: So overrated like the weirdo Neymar I don't think Mbappe is overrated. Neymar definitely. What a wasted career in Paris. His best years behind him. Mbappe on the other hand....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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