ozzie Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The increase in injuries is 100% down to the introduction of VAR. It is physically impossible to play such a high paced, high intensity sport such as football with so many, sometimes far too long breaks in play. I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up on and became a real talking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, ozzie said: The increase in injuries is 100% down to the introduction of VAR. It is physically impossible to play such a high paced, high intensity sport such as football with so many, sometimes far too long breaks in play. I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up on and became a real talking point. I agree. That, with the increased minutes at the end of each half. It's another 10% onto game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, ozzie said: The increase in injuries is 100% down to the introduction of VAR. It is physically impossible to play such a high paced, high intensity sport such as football with so many, sometimes far too long breaks in play. I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up on and became a real talking point. A thought that often crosses my mind...to have a "warm up" pre match and a "warm down" post match only to have often long "stops"..injuries..seem to take longer to deal with...var etc seems counter productive and dangerous in a muscle sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 hours ago, ozzie said: The increase in injuries is 100% down to the introduction of VAR. It is physically impossible to play such a high paced, high intensity sport such as football with so many, sometimes far too long breaks in play. I'm surprised it hasn't been picked up on and became a real talking point. Tennis? But if you are correct and it's solely down to VAR (which I don't believe it is exclusively) why don't any of the teams start jogging on the spot or go for a light run, stretching etc. I can't believe that a single medical / conditioning team in the premier league wouldn't have cottoned on to this if it was that influential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, paulw66 said: Like Gilchrist? Position specific, to be fair. Matos was available and was a far more sensible choice than risking Ugochukwu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 hours ago, Rob B said: 1. Is there actually more games being played? I haven’t looked at the stats but I know the PL hasn’t increased in size and the cup competitions remain the same format (I think). If anything I’d have thought the last few years we are playing less games than any point over the last 10 years? There is also now a winter break now. Quite, not by us anyway. But all those ex Chelsea players who went to CL clubs have been fit and playing regulary - Pulisis and Kante even. 9 hours ago, paulw66 said: you think another long term injury will endear him to a top club? wow. 52 PL starts in 3.5 years. Or 19 in the last 1.5 years. Form an orderly queue, big clubs. No - I said his only chance to get away is a run of being fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 10 hours ago, paulw66 said: Plenty of clubs have, or have had at some point circa 10 players missing at various stages. This is completely out of kilter against previous years. Modern style of play, and for me, the constant stop-start nature (due to VAR) plus the ludicrous added time is all causing increased muscle injuries. Nobody else has had that for three seasons straight though. 1 hour ago, Dwmh said: Quite, not by us anyway. But all those ex Chelsea players who went to CL clubs have been fit and playing regulary - Pulisis and Kante even. Kovacic has missed 6 City games through injury. On par with his Chelsea record. Jorginho was rarely injured for Chelsea and that hasn't changed at arsenal. He's not injury prone. Havertz only missed 10 games through injury in his Chelsea career. He's not injury prone. Mason Mount missed 19 matches through injury in his entire Chelsea career and he's already missed as many games for United in half a season. As for the rest, they aren't playing twice a week to include the ultra marathon that is the premier league. Don't let the facts get in the way though. Carry on. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Ham said: Kovacic has missed 6 City games through injury. On par with his Chelsea record. Jorginho was rarely injured for Chelsea and that hasn't changed at arsenal. He's not injury prone. Havertz only missed 10 games through injury in his Chelsea career. He's not injury prone. Mason Mount missed 19 matches through injury in his entire Chelsea career and he's already missed as many games for United in half a season. As for the rest, they aren't playing twice a week to include the ultra marathon that is the premier league. Don't let the facts get in the way though. Carry on. Don't bother, he's had this pointed out to him before but always finds a way to tip toe around it to keep the narrative going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ham said: Kovacic has missed 6 City games through injury. On par with his Chelsea record. Jorginho was rarely injured for Chelsea and that hasn't changed at arsenal. He's not injury prone. Havertz only missed 10 games through injury in his Chelsea career. He's not injury prone. Mason Mount missed 19 matches through injury in his entire Chelsea career and he's already missed as many games for United in half a season. As for the rest, they aren't playing twice a week to include the ultra marathon that is the premier league. Well I'll start with Pulisic and Kante again. Havertz missed 16 games with us, not 10. Mount missed 19, true - of which 13 were in 22/23. Pulisic, RLC and the rest... When did they ever play twice a week? 2 hours ago, Ham said: Don't let the facts get in the way though. Carry on. I won't. I'll keep reminding you. This PNE win seems to have gone to people's head. That and the Luton win suddenly has made us a good team in some people's eyes. They are in for a shock if they start watching us. Edited January 8 by Dwmh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Dwmh said: Well I'll start with Pulisic and Kante again. Havertz missed 16 games with us, not 10. Mount missed 19, true - of which 13 were in 22/23. Pulisic, RLC and the rest... When did they ever play twice a week? I won't. I'll keep reminding you. This PNE win seems to have gone to people's head. That and the Luton win suddenly has made us a good team in some people's eyes. They are in for a shock if they start watching us. Havertz missed 10 through injury. The others were COVID related. Not even you can blame the club doctors for the Wuhan "accident". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 30 minutes ago, Ham said: Not even you can blame the club doctors for the Wuhan "accident". Don't be putting challenges out there we'll all regret having to live through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Ham said: Havertz missed 10 through injury. The others were COVID related. Not even you can blame the club doctors for the Wuhan "accident". I'm sure he has a "theory" he has about everything else . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 hours ago, xceleryx said: Don't be putting challenges out there we'll all regret having to live through. COVID and Tiktok. A two-pronged attack. Chemical warfare and a Trojan Horse both unleashed at the same time. The only kids who can't access TikTok? The Chinese. Mission: De-stabilise the West. Only half joking about COVID but convinced on TikTok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 hours ago, Dwmh said: Well I'll start with Pulisic and Kante again. Physically less intense leagues. Kante is playing in a virtual amateur league in a nice warm climate. It's ridiculous to pretend the situation is comparable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 TAA out for a few weeks, so probably misses our game at the end of the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 hours ago, Ham said: Havertz missed 10 through injury. The others were COVID related. Not even you can blame the club doctors for the Wuhan "accident". So Covid is no longer an injury - don't you think that is pushing weasel definitions a bit far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Dwmh said: So Covid is no longer an injury - don't you think that is pushing weasel definitions a bit far? Is this what it's come down to? No I wouldn't list COVID when trying to discuss whether a player is injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Ham said: Is this what it's come down to? No I wouldn't list COVID when trying to discuss whether a player is injury prone. No it comes to a long list of players who are fitter at other clubs than they were here. And don't geet me started on how fit the players we bought were at their previous clubs last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulw66 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 This gets more and more extraordinary. Apparently our fitness department are so bad, it's their fault some of our players got COVID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Kelly Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 hours ago, xceleryx said: Same thing happened with RLC if I recall correctly , and he didn't start moving properly until Milan were watching . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xceleryx Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 43 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Same thing happened with RLC if I recall correctly , and he didn't start moving properly until Milan were watching . Rubens was because of his back though, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 32 minutes ago, xceleryx said: Rubens was because of his back though, yeah? Yeah but he had to learn how to run in a different way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwmh Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, xceleryx said: Rubens was because of his back though, yeah? no idea of why it happened, but it clearly happened after the Achilles injury. Prior he had this stupid looking pigeon step style of running in very very short steps. It looked stupid - but it was very very fast. After he had a natural stride length. It looked a lot classier but he was no longer rapid. My guess is that it was the short stride length that caused the back injury (though he may have been exaggerating that). And it was the Achilles that lead him to being shown how to run normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Rubens? Really? Probably got the back injury painting the ceiling of the Banqueting House, 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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