Chelsea owners and board

[kev61]

10 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

 

What I am saying is (as Samuel speculates) maybe Boehly could take the hit for this project, we retain Clearlake capital, Wyss and everyone else and we pivot to a more traditional way of running a successful Premier League club with a new chairman.

That way we keep the investment but we shift the "project" to something new and better-functioning.

 

I think that is a logical and likely scenario and a welcome one.

[Max Fowler]

Chelsea’s points-per-game over the last 35 matches (three short of a full season) is 0.8. That would get you relegated in every single Premier League season and have you finish bottom (or joint bottom) in 1997, 1998, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2018.

[Max Fowler]

Why did Christopher Vivell leave? Can we have an interview?

[McCreadie]

7 hours ago, Max Fowler said:

Chelsea’s points-per-game over the last 35 matches (three short of a full season) is 0.8. That would get you relegated in every single Premier League season and have you finish bottom (or joint bottom) in 1997, 1998, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2018.

Well aren’t we fortunate that we don’t have any of the same managers or players we had last season then 😆

[Bison]

More jobs for the Brighton boys! 

At what point do Boehly and Clearlake blow this up and start again? A year from now? 

[Mark Kelly]

3 minutes ago, Bison said:

More jobs for the Brighton boys! 

At what point do Boehly and Clearlake blow this up and start again? A year from now? 

I think it's fair to say that in every company I have worked in a lot of recruitment has been sourced from people who were invited to apply because someone had worked with them in the past and trusted them. 

I would expect in this industry it's far better to employ in the same way.

It's sometimes "better the devil you know."

[Chelsea_Matt]

27 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

I think it's fair to say that in every company I have worked in a lot of recruitment has been sourced from people who were invited to apply because someone had worked with them in the past and trusted them. 

I would expect in this industry it's far better to employ in the same way.

It's sometimes "better the devil you know."

Is his real job going to be, “Brazilian child winger who’ll never play for Chelsea recruitment specialist”?

[Dwmh]

1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

I think it's fair to say that in every company I have worked in a lot of recruitment has been sourced from people who were invited to apply because someone had worked with them in the past and trusted them. 

I would expect in this industry it's far better to employ in the same way.

It's sometimes "better the devil you know."

Yes and no.
Sure finding people who already understand best practice in a mature industry is a sensible policy.
But player recruitment is the opposite to a mature industry.  If you are not 5 years ahead of the game you are then you are recruiting the players thought best back in 2020.

It is one of those areas where "we know he knows how we do it here" is actually wrong.
We want someone who knows it how it should be done instead.

Ideas in player recruitment have a very short half life but a very long implementation period.

[ROTG]

1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

I think it's fair to say that in every company I have worked in a lot of recruitment has been sourced from people who were invited to apply because someone had worked with them in the past and trusted them. 

I would expect in this industry it's far better to employ in the same way.

It's sometimes "better the devil you know."

West Brom must be rubbing their hand awaiting their first £50m transfer to Chelsea in January. 

 

[Dwmh]

59 minutes ago, ROTG said:

West Brom must be rubbing their hand awaiting their first £50m transfer to Chelsea in January. 

 

This is the issue.
The Winstanley team have their own valuation methods.  They stick to those valuation methods even when others develop better methods.
So the players that look the best to them 2 years ago remain as the players that look best to them today while the rest of football moves on.

[Mark Kelly]

6 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

This is the issue.
The Winstanley team have their own valuation methods.  They stick to those valuation methods even when others develop better methods.
So the players that look the best to them 2 years ago remain as the players that look best to them today while the rest of football moves on.

Based on what exactly?  Your new  theory? 

The new WBA recruit has been taken on for specific position scouting. 

I'm certain football hasn't moved on in two years to the point that if you want a ball playing centre half the parameters are now skewed. 

[chara]

Position Specific Scouting Manager?...what the F does that mean?... Am I led to believe that prior to this appointment all scouting meant non specific looking at games?..."Well we need a fb but don't worry about that, if you see anyone else you fancy let us know "? .."Go and look at player x in Chile but if you see anyone else although we only need a fb let us know."? as against "Only look at that SPECIFIC FB and ignore anyone else like that Messi kid." ?

Scout is Scout is Scout...or am I too simple for this subject ? (Don't accept any answers from Mrs C)

Added cos I can..."Guv I looked at that specific keeper and I think he would make a good lwb if we coached him properly"...sigh,

Edited September 29, 2023 by chara

[Dwmh]

51 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Based on what exactly?  Your new  theory? 

The new WBA recruit has been taken on for specific position scouting. 

I'm certain football hasn't moved on in two years to the point that if you want a ball playing centre half the parameters are now skewed. 

So what can these guys do that is better than you or me.
Describe that in detail and you'll have answered your question.

[ROTG]

47 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

Based on what exactly?  Your new  theory? 

The new WBA recruit has been taken on for specific position scouting. 

I'm certain football hasn't moved on in two years to the point that if you want a ball playing centre half the parameters are now skewed. 

MK

I think you are missing the point. Maybe you will disagree

The recruitment by the the gang of three has been around their previous employers or their previous employers targets. They have yet to bring anything new, so bring in another person who is known to them does not seem all inspiring or very visionary. Hence the next round of recruitment could well be from the lower leagues when the new bloke has been for the past two years. 

[Mark Kelly]

18 minutes ago, ROTG said:

MK

I think you are missing the point. Maybe you will disagree

The recruitment by the the gang of three has been around their previous employers or their previous employers targets. They have yet to bring anything new, so bring in another person who is known to them does not seem all inspiring or very visionary. Hence the next round of recruitment could well be from the lower leagues when the new bloke has been for the past two years. 

None of them worked for Bournemouth and according to you that's who scouted Jackson. 

Every club in Europe has a scouting department looking at the best young players in World football so of course the best talents will be being targetted by everyone. 

Caicedo and Lavia almost went to Liverpool 

How many ex Brighton and Southampton coaches do Liverpool have on their staff? 

They're on our radar because they're good players not because the scouting department are ex Brighton. 

[ROTG]

1 minute ago, Mark Kelly said:

None of them worked for Bournemouth and according to you that's who scouted Jackson. 

Every club in Europe has a scouting department looking at the best young players in World football so of course the best talents will be being targetted by everyone. 

Caicedo and Lavia almost went to Liverpool 

How many ex Brighton and Southampton coaches do Liverpool have on their staff? 

They're on our radar because they're good players not because the scouting department are ex Brighton. 

MK

If you believe that a majority our recruitment around the last two windows has not been based on the gang of three’s previous employers employees or targets.
 

Then I will decease from pointing out the bloody obvious until such times the penny drops. 
 

apologies for the directness 

[Chelsea_Matt]

1 hour ago, ROTG said:

MK

I think you are missing the point. Maybe you will disagree

The recruitment by the the gang of three has been around their previous employers or their previous employers targets. They have yet to bring anything new, so bring in another person who is known to them does not seem all inspiring or very visionary. Hence the next round of recruitment could well be from the lower leagues when the new bloke has been for the past two years. 

Well we’ll be there next season at this rate…

[Mark Kelly]

1 hour ago, ROTG said:

MK

If you believe that a majority our recruitment around the last two windows has not been based on the gang of three’s previous employers employees or targets.
 

Then I will decease from pointing out the bloody obvious until such times the penny drops. 
 

apologies for the directness 

So was Liverpools then seeing as they wanted two of them or Arsenal's seeing as they wanted Mudryk. 

I'm sure some of it was based on previous work they'd done but my point is it's not in isolation it's an ever diminishing pool of talent that everyone is looking at. 

Seeing as how Brighton are miles and miles above us in the league maybe we should continue the policy to get where we want to be. 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Mark Kelly

[Dwmh]

1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

None of them worked for Bournemouth and according to you that's who scouted Jackson. 

Every club in Europe has a scouting department looking at the best young players in World football so of course the best talents will be being targetted by everyone. 

Caicedo and Lavia almost went to Liverpool 

Ergo we valued them a whole lot higher than a club that is already in CL.
Actually I'm not even sure of that.  MacAllister already went to Liverpool in June, Szoboszlai in July.
Caicedo, Lavia and MacAllister may well share an agent or at least have something in common down there on the coast.  And Liverpool certainly wouldn't object to a few white lies pushing up the prices.

Fake buyers are  a hack's delight as he gets 2 stories for the price of none - they are wanted and why they didn't go

[ROTG]

28 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

So was Liverpools then seeing as they wanted to of them or Arsenal's seeing as they wanted Mudryk. 

I'm sure some of it was based on previous work they'd done but my point is it's not in isolation it's an ever diminishing pool of talent that everyone is looking at. 

Seeing as how Brighton are miles and miles above us in the league maybe we should continue the policy to get where we want to be. 

 

Ok. 
Time for me to take a back seat. 
Never in my life have heard such Tosh as ever decreasing tallent.  
our club has done everything over the past 30 years staring with Ken Bates and Colin Hutchinson, to continuously improve the the squad and the trophy room which is the envy of most clubs in the world.  You also have to take into account during that period there have probably been 3 elite managers, SAF, Carlo and Pep, two of which found their karma at the two Manchester clubs. The other gave us some of the most exhilarating football played by the club and did the double, unfortunately  RA wanted more and the Carlo’s Karma went to RM. 
 

Finally, I doff of my cap to those realise  our level is Brighton. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by ROTG

[Mark Kelly]

5 minutes ago, Dwmh said:

Ergo we valued them a whole lot higher than a club that is already in CL.
Actually I'm not even sure of that.  MacAllister already went to Liverpool in June, Szoboszlai in July.
Caicedo, Lavia and MacAllister may well share an agent or at least have something in common down there on the coast.  And Liverpool certainly wouldn't object to a few white lies pushing up the prices.

Fake buyers are  a hack's delight as he gets 2 stories for the price of none - they are wanted and why they didn't go

So, Liverpool pushing up the price for Caicedo by fifteen million was a lie invented  by the press?

Nobody, least of all you, believes that. 

 

[Mark Kelly]

1 minute ago, ROTG said:

Ok. 
Time for me to take a back seat. 
Never in my life have heard such Tosh as ever decreasing tallent.  
our club has done everything over the past 30 years staring with Ken Bates and Colin Hutchinson, to continuously improve the the squad and the trophy room is the envy of most clubs in the world.  You also have to take into account during that period there have probably been 3 elite managers, SAF, Carlo and Pep, two of which found their karma at the two Manchester clubs. The other gave us some of the most exhilarating football played by the club and did the double, unfortunately  RA wanted more and the Carlo’s Karma went to RM. 
 

Finally, I doff of my cap to those realise  our level is Brighton. 

I didn't say that, I say it was an ever decreasing "pool of talent" The true stand out players are getting rarer and rarer, everyone else is much of a muchness which is why we are paying loads for unproven players as everyone is after the same ones. 

[Dwmh]

38 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said:

So, Liverpool pushing up the price for Caicedo by fifteen million was a lie invented  by the press?

Nobody, least of all you, believes that. 

 

Sorry - which do you believe, common sense or the press?
I know which I choose.
Brighton pushed up the price, the player and agent pushed up the wages.  Everything else is press speculation which is nothing.

 

[xceleryx]

8 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

I didn't say that, I say it was an ever decreasing "pool of talent" The true stand out players are getting rarer and rarer, everyone else is much of a muchness which is why we are paying loads for unproven players as everyone is after the same ones. 

ROTG knows what you mean, he's just up to his usual games of twister. 

The man was certainly a contortionist in another life, I know that much. 

[kev61]

14 hours ago, Dwmh said:

Yes and no.
 

Probably the most annoying phrase in the history of replies.