Chelsea owners and board

[patThenevin]

20 hours ago, blueboy1905 said:

Apparently Todd pays himself £20 million a year for the lofty position of Chairman. The golden handshake will then be passed to Eghbali. Nice work if you can get it.

Financiers, the biggest mob of them all.

 

[Holymoly]

On 28/03/2024 at 20:58, chara said:

Usual OG whimsy smile....just like the media seems to have come to the conclusion J Grealish is not the next Great Coming for English football..a mere Mr J Grealish not SIR JG as lauded two years ago...about when I believe most of us knew about it!..(MYHO of course)...funny that.

They still just call him Jack though the same way they call TAA Trent. How these players have earned the right to be known by just their first name is beyond me. The national team will be following Brazil next and just putting one name on the shirt.

[Floyd25]

Strasbourg fans apparently marching today before their game to demand the sale of the club, BlueCo really are impressive. 

[Mark Kelly]

36 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

Strasbourg fans apparently marching today before their game to demand the sale of the club, BlueCo really are impressive. 

And they were doing so well before too.

Not.

[Chelsea_Matt]

On 29/03/2024 at 16:19, patThenevin said:

Financiers, the biggest mob of them all.

 

 Vulture capitalists. 

[Floyd25]

2 hours ago, Mark Kelly said:

And they were doing so well before too.

Not.

True, can’t imagine they’re happy being 3 points off of relegation though.

[Mark Kelly]

6 minutes ago, Floyd25 said:

True, can’t imagine they’re happy being 3 points off of relegation though.

Didn't they just come up though or am I mistaken? 

[Bison]

Only a matter of time until there are protests here. 

[Floyd25]

1 hour ago, Mark Kelly said:

Didn't they just come up though or am I mistaken? 

No, they went up in 2017. 

[patThenevin]

On 31/03/2024 at 13:02, Chelsea_Matt said:

 Vulture capitalists. 

Absolutely, though you might offend poor ham, as all some fans seem to do is focus on those multi millionaire financiers.....

[Ham]

17 minutes ago, patThenevin said:

Absolutely, though you might offend poor ham, as all some fans seem to do is focus on those multi millionaire financiers.....

There's a distinction between saying I'm happy with the potential of our squad minus injuries and being Gordon Gekko. 

[chara]

Whatever the opinions are of Todd and Co they have handed the reigns at the game level  to "football people" as many called for.

The "football people" are not elite "Football People" and seem to be working in a self made bubble of Subbuteo not the real Football world...a harsh and unforgiving environment.

The financiers may or may not be handling that side well but the "middle management", the so important strength of any organisation, is a disaster and not looking to improve.

I KNOW the warm flow down my back isn't rain so don't bother to try and persuade me differently...... Too many knowledgeable people(all in fact, differences of opinion are not differences or lack  of understanding of the game.) on here to keep up that facade.

Edited April 1 by chara

[east lower]

11 minutes ago, chara said:

Whatever the opinions are of Todd and Co they have handed the reigns at the game level  to "football people" as many called for.

The "football people" are not elite "Football People" and seem to be working in a self made bubble of Subbuteo not the real Football world...a harsh and unforgiving environment.

The financiers may or may not be handling that side well but the "middle management", the so important strength of any organisation, is a disaster and not looking to improve.

I KNOW the warm flow down my back isn't rain so don't bother to try and persuade me differently...... Too many knowledgeable people(all in fact, differences of opinion are not differences or lack  of understanding of the game.) on here to keep up that facade.

I think that the issue was that the owners didn’t know what ‘real’ football people looked like and believed this data based tripe, so prevalent in stop, start American sports. And put forward by people, who broadly speaking want a fast buck and haven’t seen a blade of grass on a top level football pitch.

 

[chara]

3 minutes ago, east lower said:

I think that the issue was that the owners didn’t know what ‘real’ football people looked like and believed this data based tripe, so prevalent in stop, start American sports. And put forward by people, who broadly speaking want a fast buck and haven’t seen a blade of grass on a top level football pitch.

 

Hard to disagree.... I think some time back I asked who gave the advice about hiring the advisors!

 

[east lower]

1 hour ago, chara said:

Hard to disagree.... I think some time back I asked who gave the advice about hiring the advisors!

 

Due diligence and look at what success looks and feels like (Man City??). Who are the high achievers, not who’s made a few quid for their clubs and have managed to get from 17th to 10th.

Gather many opinions, and have the knowledge (acquired or existing depending on your experience) to pick the wheat from the chaff.

[chara]

8 minutes ago, east lower said:

Due diligence and look at what success looks and feels like (Man City??). Who are the high achievers, not who’s made a few quid for their clubs and have managed to get from 17th to 10th.

Gather many opinions, and have the knowledge (acquired or existing depending on your experience) to pick the wheat from the chaff.

That is how it should be done...I just don't quite get why the present "football people" were employed...surely someone suggested the choice...for all Todd and Co are open to criticism I find it hard to believe they made the appointments without consulting someone or a number of people?

The Poch was at least worth a punt if not the best  of choices,,practicaly anyone was better than Potter who in fairness was gone quickly...Frank I will never include in the Potter/Poch group debate...hiding to nothing and not there to influence or change things just get the side over the line.

I suspect like many long term and not so long term loyalists my sense of a never before even during the bad times feeling of deflation and despair is shared.

Even in those bad days it was still MY/OUR Chelsea...now?

[east lower]

37 minutes ago, chara said:

That is how it should be done...I just don't quite get why the present "football people" were employed...surely someone suggested the choice...for all Todd and Co are open to criticism I find it hard to believe they made the appointments without consulting someone or a number of people?

The Poch was at least worth a punt if not the best  of choices,,practicaly anyone was better than Potter who in fairness was gone quickly...Frank I will never include in the Potter/Poch group debate...hiding to nothing and not there to influence or change things just get the side over the line.

I suspect like many long term and not so long term loyalists my sense of a never before even during the bad times feeling of deflation and despair is shared.

Even in those bad days it was still MY/OUR Chelsea...now?

We’ve both written about where the loss of our club’s identity started and without incurring the wrath of the mods by going into detail - it was sanctimonious, hypocritical and virtue signalling (when they have very few virtues or values) politicians.

From there we had to endure a political led ‘auction’ for our club. 

Then these know-all owners believed that the best thing to do was to rip the identity out of the club and start again, whilst trying to compete in what is probably the most competitive football league in the world.

When I read this back, it’s no wonder we are in the crap. I’d have never appointed the current coach, steeped in failure. Or as Jose so famously called the other Nth London manager “a specialist in failure !”

Edited April 1 by east lower

[xceleryx]

8 hours ago, east lower said:

I think that the issue was that the owners didn’t know what ‘real’ football people looked like and believed this data based tripe, so prevalent in stop, start American sports. And put forward by people, who broadly speaking want a fast buck and haven’t seen a blade of grass on a top level football pitch.

What constitutes "real football people" exactly? 

Liverpool are re-hiring Michael Edwards who prior to his previous spell at Liverpool spent time at Tottenham and Portsmouth. Man United are trying to bring in Jason Wilcox from Southampton, whose own prior history extends to academy roles at Man City. Just as an example to showcase that those we've hired in sporting roles aren't necessarily less qualified. 

As for the data driven approach, football has being using data based "tripe" for years. This isn't some new "American approach" that's been adopted. No matter how much you may personally dislike it it's a big part of the game in the modern era at most clubs around the world.

[Floyd25]

1 hour ago, xceleryx said:

As for the data driven approach, football has being using data based "tripe" for years. This isn't some new "American approach" that's been adopted. No matter how much you may personally dislike it it's a big part of the game in the modern era at most clubs around the world.

So the data based approach isn’t wrong, it’s just how they’ve applied it so far? That doesn’t make them look particularly competent. 

[xceleryx]

1 hour ago, Floyd25 said:

So the data based approach isn’t wrong, it’s just how they’ve applied it so far? That doesn’t make them look particularly competent. 

It's impossible for anyone of us to really comment if it's being done correctly or not, purely because we're not privy to the data being used, what it's being used for, how it's being used in any decision making, and so on.

To think data doesn't play a pretty sizeable part at clubs however is naive to say the least, which was more my underlying point.

 

[east lower]

5 hours ago, xceleryx said:

What constitutes "real football people" exactly? 

Liverpool are re-hiring Michael Edwards who prior to his previous spell at Liverpool spent time at Tottenham and Portsmouth. Man United are trying to bring in Jason Wilcox from Southampton, whose own prior history extends to academy roles at Man City. Just as an example to showcase that those we've hired in sporting roles aren't necessarily less qualified. 

As for the data driven approach, football has being using data based "tripe" for years. This isn't some new "American approach" that's been adopted. No matter how much you may personally dislike it it's a big part of the game in the modern era at most clubs around the world.

Real football people, if you really need an explanation? Have experience of both playing and operating outside of the playing arena at the highest level - like Jason Wilcox. Like Edu at Arsenal. 

You wouldn’t want a travel agent to be a jet-engine maintenance engineer, but I this is what the football world is doing - all PowerPoint and tablets/laptops and xG. Football remains a game played by humans and the nuances and variables that humans have.

Data based tripe, promoted by data-based charlatans who just are more hangers-on draining the clubs of more money (a fool and their money are easily parted)unfortunately are part of the game and it’s no better for it generally. He makes this run then, he shoots left 80% of the time at penalties, may have some merit. It’s probably data based b***ocks that dumbass based his opinions on how we defend corners, perhaps that’s why Enzo was matched up against a centre-half or Berge at corners on Saturday - 5ft 9’ ish against 6ft 5’. The eyes say no, data based tripe says yes. 
 

Dumbass reckons data has us in fourth 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Proves my point

[kev61]

57 minutes ago, east lower said:

Real football people, if you really need an explanation? Have experience of both playing and operating outside of the playing arena at the highest level - like Jason Wilcox. Like Edu at Arsenal. 

You wouldn’t want a travel agent to be a jet-engine maintenance engineer, but I this is what the football world is doing - all PowerPoint and tablets/laptops and xG. Football remains a game played by humans and the nuances and variables that humans have.

Data based tripe, promoted by data-based charlatans who just are more hangers-on draining the clubs of more money (a fool and their money are easily parted)unfortunately are part of the game and it’s no better for it generally. He makes this run then, he shoots left 80% of the time at penalties, may have some merit. It’s probably data based b***ocks that dumbass based his opinions on how we defend corners, perhaps that’s why Enzo was matched up against a centre-half or Berge at corners on Saturday - 5ft 9’ ish against 6ft 5’. The eyes say no, data based tripe says yes. 
 

Dumbass reckons data has us in fourth 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Proves my point

It's the fundmentals that drive me insane.How can vvd score again in the same situation from a corner kick.

Forget XG and the rest of the bollox it is poor coaching.

 

[east lower]

12 minutes ago, kev61 said:

It's the fundmentals that drive me insane.How can vvd score again in the same situation from a corner kick.

Forget XG and the rest of the bollox it is poor coaching.

 

Because we both must be neanderthals, it's data that means the most. The ball arrives here or there a greater percentage of the time, so that's where we put our better headers of the ball. 

Never mind matching people up, blocking runs - use the data, we're currently 4th in the league don't you know! 😉

[kev61]

11 minutes ago, east lower said:

Because we both must be neanderthals, it's data that means the most. The ball arrives here or there a greater percentage of the time, so that's where we put our better headers of the ball. 

Never mind matching people up, blocking runs - use the data, we're currently 4th in the league don't you know! 😉

You go to matches - therefore you get more respect for me.I used to go to all of the home matches back in the day.

The stat's people do my head in and I apologize to them.

 

[ROTG]

7 hours ago, xceleryx said:

What constitutes "real football people" exactly? 

Liverpool are re-hiring Michael Edwards who prior to his previous spell at Liverpool spent time at Tottenham and Portsmouth. Man United are trying to bring in Jason Wilcox from Southampton, whose own prior history extends to academy roles at Man City. Just as an example to showcase that those we've hired in sporting roles aren't necessarily less qualified. 

As for the data driven approach, football has being using data based "tripe" for years. This isn't some new "American approach" that's been adopted. No matter how much you may personally dislike it it's a big part of the game in the modern era at most clubs around the world.

There has not been any genuine data or other type of recruitment at the club. If you bothered to do any type of research then you would see that all acquisitions with the exception of enzo in the Jan-23 and Summer-23 transfer windows were either players from Winstanley, Stewart, Shields previous clubs or on their previous clubs recruitment list.

Not one for the signings is what you can call scouted for the club, it's  been a case of the laziest recruitment policy.

Only in football and at chelsea do you get a promotion from a scout to a  prestige job like sporting directors without any qualification or experience, hence the mess the club is in.

Don't you find it strange that the club did not support the coach in January with a signing to two? Maybe it a case of the ex-clubs list was empty, hence the recruitment of another ex-winstannley / stewart colleague