thevelourfog Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 43 minutes ago, RDCW said: I'm between two stools on this one. He has definitely overstated the role of the fans in the success of the team and is too forgiving of the unnecessary mistakes of the ownership. He is right about the commitment to investment and, sadly, about the entitlement of the fan base (and I speak as a season ticket holder of 28 years' standing). I think that the fans of successful clubs are entitled and intolerant. It is also the case that culturally English fans of the 21st century are less vocal and less enthusiastic than their European equivalents When you see the unconditional support offered by French, German, Scandinavian and Baltic fans it is somewhat humbling. We as a Chelsea fanbase have always had a reputation for boo-boys, though, going right back to the late seventies. I've some sympathy with the entitlement thing, and generally feel quite lucky that at 39 I do remember us not winning things and that grounds me (if still being too young for the real turmoil of the 80s to have influenced me). I've had my ST for 16 years and generally find that where I sit is quiet, very rarely much dissent or support. But we pay a huge amount of money, far more than fans in the 90s did, and I think some entitlement is justified. Personally I worry about the ownerships investment. It isn't clear where the immediate capital has come from or what the cost of it might be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDCW Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 14 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: I've some sympathy with the entitlement thing, and generally feel quite lucky that at 39 I do remember us not winning things and that grounds me (if still being too young for the real turmoil of the 80s to have influenced me). I've had my ST for 16 years and generally find that where I sit is quiet, very rarely much dissent or support. But we pay a huge amount of money, far more than fans in the 90s did, and I think some entitlement is justified. Personally I worry about the ownerships investment. It isn't clear where the immediate capital has come from or what the cost of it might be. I definitely share those worries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Proud-Blue Posted August 20 Popular Post Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, Holymoly said: Copied over from Reddit by user u/ChrisCohenTV. Interesting take, not without some truth. Oh, and he didn't get downvoted for posting this. "Modern day Chelsea fans don't know how to support a team when they lose. It's so tiring hearing Chelsea fans complaining that they want Abramovich back. He isn't coming back. He was sanctioned. That era is over. Everyone criticises the new owners and says they're ruining the club, but imagine if we'd got the Glazers or Hicks and Gillette. We've got owners who have spent BILLIONS on new players and the club in general. I remember when we signed Lavia and Caceido and Enzo and everyone was going bananas saying we were buying all the best players and it wasn't fair. They are trying to buy a group of elite, young players who will go on to dominate for the next decade. Yes there have been missteps but the main issue in my mind is that managers brought in aren't given enough time. But that'd down to the fans boo'ing managers and the team constantly when we don't win. The atmosphere sours and then the owners hands are forced to get rid of them. That then brings a new manager with new ideas and players that were brought in for that style of play are then surplus to requirements and we have a bloated squad with other clubs not wanting to pay market value. I've been around since the Stein and Furlong days. I've seen this club lose a LOT. I can't remember a single time the team was boo'ed off the pitch during the 90s. If anything, fans sung louder and cheered harder when things weren't going to plan to show how much they were behind the players and the club. We've been spoiled over the last decade with incredible players and world class managers but it was always going to get to a point where those players retired/left and a rebuild was needed, Abramovich or not. I also remember many a time fans would bitch about the Abramovich sacking policy. But please.. it's so boring hearing chelsea fans bitch and moan about... what? Buying really fucking exciting young players? 😂 This will get dowvoted to oblivion and that's just the way this sub is. But I do wish we could just stop shitting on every single one of our players/managers/owners when things don't quite go to plan. The media gets a lot wrong but the one thing they say a lot which is 100% accurate is that chelsea fans are impatient and used to winning. That's got another name you know... entitlement. Support the team and the team will grow. Shit on it and well.... you get the last 3 years." Much of this I agree with, but I also think they're maybe slightly over-stating the fan reaction. A lot of fans talk about how they feel they don't connect with the club anymore. I think that's largely because of the sheer pace of change. Some of this was forced upon us with the sanctions, but there's no doubt the new owners took an absolute sledgehammer to the existing structures. That didn't necessarily need to happen, but it's the strategy they've taken. Having met Boehly three times now, I do think there is an actual logic to what is going on and I think we will see the instability calm down in the next year and a half or so. This is not to say I agree with everything they're doing, but I don't think they're as clueless as some have made out. I won't go into specifics about what I spoke with Boehly about (it wasn't that long or revolutionary tbh, but it was a conversation that included some themes I can't share), he was certainly excited and optimistic about the upcoming season. I'd say he's a very optimistic person in general, and he's backing the people around him. He is I think a genuine sports fan, really cares about the club, and is 100% well-intentioned in everything he's doing. I have not met Eghbali or others from the Clearlake side. What I do wish they'd do is maybe communicate a little more about what the vision is. For, me something that's causing anxiety is they're running the club in a fashion not seen before. To some on the outside, it looks rather baffling at times. But when you speak with them (and I know from people who have had meetings with the sporting directors especially), the "project" is quite persuasive. But we as the majority of fans are only getting very partial access to understand what it is. I think we need to be taken on that journey with the club. I think the lack of fan support at the bridge can honestly be attributed to fear. People are worried we're taking massive risks with the club, and they don't want to see us end up in enormous trouble over the next few years. Either financially or in terms of our league performance. Nobody wants to end up like Leeds did. So I guess I also sit somewhat in the middle here. I do think the fans are being a bit quick to get on the backs of the team, but the ownership has more ability to influence creating a more positive atmosphere than they are currently showing. I hope that gets communicated through the FAB and fans forum (my term on the fans forum ended this year unfortunately). Hopefully the atmosphere gets a little more positive in the Bridge itself, starting with Servette. 4 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 @Proud-Blue..Excellent post,,as good as you will see here, It's always good to read of personal interaction with key figures at the club to help us understand things better. Plus a great sensible take on how a lot of us feel in general. Thank You. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, chara said: @Proud-Blue..Excellent post,,as good as you will see here, It's always good to read of personal interaction with key figures at the club to help us understand things better. Plus a great sensible take on how a lot of us feel in general. Thank You. Thank you. Again I guess it's just my own subjective experience and interpretation of the situation. I'm sure others will think differently. Almost everything I speak about with them is the Chelsea Pride stuff I do, but when you're with people who are passionate about football (and Boehly is), the conversation sometimes veers onto general football/club topics. I don't find out anything like who we are signing, apart from the Marc Guiu incident I mentioned in his thread haha. I tried making a joke to Bruce Buck once about signing Haaland while he was at Dortmund. He didn't laugh. It was very awkward. So I think I'll avoid trying something like that again! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 38 minutes ago, Proud-Blue said: Much of this I agree with, but I also think they're maybe slightly over-stating the fan reaction. A lot of fans talk about how they feel they don't connect with the club anymore. I think that's largely because of the sheer pace of change. Some of this was forced upon us with the sanctions, but there's no doubt the new owners took an absolute sledgehammer to the existing structures. That didn't necessarily need to happen, but it's the strategy they've taken. Having met Boehly three times now, I do think there is an actual logic to what is going on and I think we will see the instability calm down in the next year and a half or so. This is not to say I agree with everything they're doing, but I don't think they're as clueless as some have made out. I won't go into specifics about what I spoke with Boehly about (it wasn't that long or revolutionary tbh, but it was a conversation that included some themes I can't share), he was certainly excited and optimistic about the upcoming season. I'd say he's a very optimistic person in general, and he's backing the people around him. He is I think a genuine sports fan, really cares about the club, and is 100% well-intentioned in everything he's doing. I have not met Eghbali or others from the Clearlake side. What I do wish they'd do is maybe communicate a little more about what the vision is. For, me something that's causing anxiety is they're running the club in a fashion not seen before. To some on the outside, it looks rather baffling at times. But when you speak with them (and I know from people who have had meetings with the sporting directors especially), the "project" is quite persuasive. But we as the majority of fans are only getting very partial access to understand what it is. I think we need to be taken on that journey with the club. I think the lack of fan support at the bridge can honestly be attributed to fear. People are worried we're taking massive risks with the club, and they don't want to see us end up in enormous trouble over the next few years. Either financially or in terms of our league performance. Nobody wants to end up like Leeds did. So I guess I also sit somewhat in the middle here. I do think the fans are being a bit quick to get on the backs of the team, but the ownership has more ability to influence creating a more positive atmosphere than they are currently showing. I hope that gets communicated through the FAB and fans forum (my term on the fans forum ended this year unfortunately). Hopefully the atmosphere gets a little more positive in the Bridge itself, starting with Servette. Excellent post. Very refreshing to hear an informed perspective although I fear you'll be forever tagged "a TBSD mouthpiece" on here from this point on. 😜 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 minutes ago, Ham said: Excellent post. Very refreshing to hear an informed perspective although I fear you'll be forever tagged "a TBSD mouthpiece" on here from this point on. 😜 I'm sure it's possible. Some will always want to think in absolutes and just assume I'm here to positively represent everything they do. I've criticised plenty in the past and sometimes over-reacted like many emotional fans do. Hopefully most will read what I say in good faith though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 To add to @Ham 's tongue in cheek "mouthpiece" comment...I'm sure ProudB is more than able to filter out any manipulative attempts by our rulers!🙃💂♂️🔬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I didn't realise "or not" was an option. Potentially positive news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud-Blue Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 9 minutes ago, Ham said: I didn't realise "or not" was an option. Potentially positive news. Potentially, but I suspect they'll feel they need to do something. Especially if they end up charging Man City. Maybe it'll be more lenient than expected though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Hyundai deal was worth £10m a year back in 2018 and Whalefin (deal later terminated under the new ownership) was £20m a year when agreed back in 2022. Nearly September and still no front of shirt sponsor. Crazy to see how much the brand has been devalued in just two years of ownership under these bozos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDCW Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Bison said: Hyundai deal was worth £10m a year back in 2018 and Whalefin (deal later terminated under the new ownership) was £20m a year when agreed back in 2022. Nearly September and still no front of shirt sponsor. Crazy to see how much the brand has been devalued in just two years of ownership under these bozos. On this I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Perhaps don't get too excited about the Conference League just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 17 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Perhaps don't get too excited about the Conference League just yet! Just in??? This has been the case ever since UEFA rewrote their rules (ie when it changed from the old FFP to the new FSR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert19 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 21 minutes ago, thevelourfog said: Perhaps don't get too excited about the Conference League just yet! Clearlake had better crack on with some new sponsorship deals then. The Lidl Stadium Stamford Bridge anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thevelourfog Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 4 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said: Just in??? This has been the case ever since UEFA rewrote their rules (ie when it changed from the old FFP to the new FSR) I'll take your word for it, was just being glib given we'll probably qualify tonight! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 I still can’t believe we don’t have a front of shirt sponsor. I do not buy into the ‘they want to wait until they can offer CL football’ theory, that makes no sense to me as you can always agree a short term deal or a deal that increases based on the competitions we’re in. It’s terrible business from the owners or whoever they pay to manage this area of the business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: I still can’t believe we don’t have a front of shirt sponsor. I do not buy into the ‘they want to wait until they can offer CL football’ theory, that makes no sense to me as you can always agree a short term deal or a deal that increases based on the competitions we’re in. It’s terrible business from the owners or whoever they pay to manage this area of the business. I read somewhere that our sleeve sponsors are currently paying around £8m/year... down from around £20m from the previous sponsor. 🙄 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, Bob Singleton said: I read somewhere that our sleeve sponsors are currently paying around £8m/year... down from around £20m from the previous sponsor. 🙄 🙄 Yeah, I saw that as well. I thought this was the area they would be really strong in, in fact I think that’s what they told us. I thought we would be discussing our feeling around them selling the naming rights of Stamford Bridge, not discussing the finality to get a front of shirt sponsor! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 @My Blood Is Blue agree Sam..from my experience of name change additions to stadia over here and UK whatever name got tagged onto Stamford Bridge or changed ;it would still be referred to as Stamford Bridge or "The Bridge" so take the money and bank it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 8 hours ago, My Blood Is Blue said: I still can’t believe we don’t have a front of shirt sponsor. I do not buy into the ‘they want to wait until they can offer CL football’ theory, that makes no sense to me as you can always agree a short term deal or a deal that increases based on the competitions we’re in. It’s terrible business from the owners or whoever they pay to manage this area of the business. Like it or not, we don't have the brand name of the old school three biggest clubs - Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. We haven't been title contenders for years now, so our commercial stock has naturally fallen in line with our performances on the pitch. A bit unfair then to complain about the commercial director not being able to attract the kind of sponsors we once had. We can't force companies to give us more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 34 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: Like it or not, we don't have the brand name of the old school three biggest clubs - Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal. We haven't been title contenders for years now, so our commercial stock has naturally fallen in line with our performances on the pitch. A bit unfair then to complain about the commercial director not being able to attract the kind of sponsors we once had. We can't force companies to give us more. That isn’t my complaint, my complaint is that they haven’t found anyone! We have a large gap on our bank sheet where the front of shirt sponsorship money should be, we literally have no money coming in for that front of shirt sponsor. I can accept it won’t be for as much money as it used to be, given our performance on the pitch in the last few years, but the club are either holding out for something close to this, which is unrealistic or are genuinely unable to negotiate with anyone to get a deal done. These kinds of deals should be agreed months before the season starts. It is really poor, no matter how you look at it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy1905 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, My Blood Is Blue said: That isn’t my complaint, my complaint is that they haven’t found anyone! We have a large gap on our bank sheet where the front of shirt sponsorship money should be, we literally have no money coming in for that front of shirt sponsor. I can accept it won’t be for as much money as it used to be, given our performance on the pitch in the last few years, but the club are either holding out for something close to this, which is unrealistic or are genuinely unable to negotiate with anyone to get a deal done. These kinds of deals should be agreed months before the season starts. It is really poor, no matter how you look at it. Just further evidence that our owners and those that do their bidding are cretins and have no clue how to run a football club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneB Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Journalist confirms Chelsea have hired another new Director to head up new department (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 minutes ago, JaneB said: Journalist confirms Chelsea have hired another new Director to head up new department (msn.com) Entertainment !!!,,,so no contact with the team. Is he gonna fix the S;Show..posing as a streaming service? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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