chara Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 hours ago, Blue Moon said: It was January 2003 - I was in the East upper, and recall wondering whether Uncle Ken would be doing donkey rides at half time. Remember the game well...mentioned before but the Chelsea /Watford semi at WHL shows what was the late season norm...I think today's fashion models would refuse to play on such surfaces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 40 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: Simon Jordan is saying City should be booted out of the league. Only one opinion but the tide is definitely starting to turn against those shits. As fun as it would be to see, I really can't imagine Manchester City getting kicked out of the league. They've become one of the Premier League's biggest brands, and the same goes for Pep. Booting them out just doesn't seem likely. Plus, City's lawyers will pull out all the stops to make sure it never happens. They'll drag out the hearings as long as possible, costing the Premier League millions in the process. In the end, City will probably get a slap on the wrist that's made to look harsh but doesn't actually do much damage. Maybe a fine, which won't bother their rich owners or a points deduction that knocks them out of the title race for a season but still leaves them in the hunt for a Champions League spot. Some people are hoping this is the beginning of the end for Man City as we know them. Imagine Pep leaving in the summer, De Bruyne heading to Saudi Arabia, Haaland off to Madrid, and City getting kicked out of the Premier League. The owners might decide whether to keep investing to climb back up the leagues or move on to something else. It's possible Pep and De Bruyne will go, and I never expected Haaland to stick around long either. But even if City gets relegated, their money will keep enough of their players around, and they'll breeze through whatever division they're in and get back to the Premier League in no time. The owners wouldn't walk away as they've invested too much into this project, not just Man City but their other sides around the world as well. A big question is what happens to all their titles and trophies if they're found guilty. During the period they allegedly broke the rules, do those titles get stripped? Do they leave those years blank in the history books, or hand the medals to the runners-up? Giving them to the runners-up seems too easy since it's not a given those teams would have won without City (highly likely but not a certainty). So, those years might just have no winner. Even trickier is what to do with the years following the alleged cheating, since everything they built off those foundations could (and in my opinion should) be seen as invalid. It's a mess, and that's why it's taking so long to sort out. There's so much riding on the outcomes, making this a long and complicated process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 @My Blood Is Blue...more or less agree not the same Authority but Chelsea were hammered by sanctions with little or no support or protest from the "Football Family"..a thing that still angers and saddens me,,, I expect no support for Citeh from the hyenas just wanting to see Citeh fall from grace (justified or not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 43 minutes ago, chara said: Remember the game well...mentioned before but the Chelsea /Watford semi at WHL shows what was the late season norm...I think today's fashion models would refuse to play on such surfaces! Would love to see them have to rack up and play on the farmers field that was the Baseball ground in mid winter. I do have fond memories of those days with the dreadful pitches, playing in the snow with an orange ball and gentle souls like Chopper, Hunter and co sorting out the men ftom the boys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 35 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: As fun as it would be to see, I really can't imagine Manchester City getting kicked out of the league. They've become one of the Premier League's biggest brands, and the same goes for Pep. Booting them out just doesn't seem likely. Plus, City's lawyers will pull out all the stops to make sure it never happens. They'll drag out the hearings as long as possible, costing the Premier League millions in the process. In the end, City will probably get a slap on the wrist that's made to look harsh but doesn't actually do much damage. Maybe a fine, which won't bother their rich owners or a points deduction that knocks them out of the title race for a season but still leaves them in the hunt for a Champions League spot. Some people are hoping this is the beginning of the end for Man City as we know them. Imagine Pep leaving in the summer, De Bruyne heading to Saudi Arabia, Haaland off to Madrid, and City getting kicked out of the Premier League. The owners might decide whether to keep investing to climb back up the leagues or move on to something else. It's possible Pep and De Bruyne will go, and I never expected Haaland to stick around long either. But even if City gets relegated, their money will keep enough of their players around, and they'll breeze through whatever division they're in and get back to the Premier League in no time. The owners wouldn't walk away as they've invested too much into this project, not just Man City but their other sides around the world as well. A big question is what happens to all their titles and trophies if they're found guilty. During the period they allegedly broke the rules, do those titles get stripped? Do they leave those years blank in the history books, or hand the medals to the runners-up? Giving them to the runners-up seems too easy since it's not a given those teams would have won without City (highly likely but not a certainty). So, those years might just have no winner. Even trickier is what to do with the years following the alleged cheating, since everything they built off those foundations could (and in my opinion should) be seen as invalid. It's a mess, and that's why it's taking so long to sort out. There's so much riding on the outcomes, making this a long and complicated process. The real power is with the clubs, not the PL bosses. If the clubs band together and say enough is enough, it's either they go or we go, then City will be kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: The real power is with the clubs, not the PL bosses. If the clubs band together and say enough is enough, it's either they go or we go, then City will be kicked out. Agree with the spirit but I sense a "cast the first stone" issue..... I suspect that many,,if not all ..clubs don't want anyone to "turn over the stone" and see what is hiding there, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 15 minutes ago, boratsbrother said: The real power is with the clubs, not the PL bosses. If the clubs band together and say enough is enough, it's either they go or we go, then City will be kicked out. No club will want to be the first to raise it, in case others don’t follow and also, to @chara’s point, I doubt any club is squeaky clean and it could get very nasty very quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 hours ago, Blue Moon said: East Middle? You're coming down in the world, @east lower ... 😉 We moved out of the family stand (that was in the East Lower, having been moved from the Shed Lower. But, I’d ’persuaded’ a supplier to get two East-Middle ST’s. That was when you got a dinner, drinks and programmes included with the ticket - in with the posh people. Got to use them a good few times a year for ourselves and when there was a client who fancied it. They were front row, near the first gate next to the MH Stand. Great seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east lower Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: No club will want to be the first to raise it, in case others don’t follow and also, to @chara’s point, I doubt any club is squeaky clean and it could get very nasty very quickly It’s punch and counter-punch from the PL and Man City now. There’s going to be a trade-off and not much will probably happen. As you say a fine, maybe some points deducted. I cannot imagine it’s great PR for the PL to have titles removed and retrospectively awarded to others. But the red-scum might get one of those, so anything’s possible! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratsbrother Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 22 minutes ago, My Blood Is Blue said: No club will want to be the first to raise it, in case others don’t follow and also, to @chara’s point, I doubt any club is squeaky clean and it could get very nasty very quickly Without a doubt a lot, if not most clubs have been involved in some dodgy dealings over the years and decades of football. Brown paper envelopes, tapping up players etc etc etc. I also dont like our latest bit of playing within but bending the rules with the hotel business. Something which Simon Jordan actually applauded btw. But all that is on a completely different level to the what City are being charged with. Off the scale cheating and corruption the like of which has never been seen in this country. They need the severest punishment possible othwise they might as well do away with all the rules of football finance and just make it a free for all where everything and anything goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I expect they will have to pay a huge fine that will keep the Premier League in Christmas parties for a decade, along with a minimal points deduction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 From Feb 2023, in case anyone needs reminding... Man City scandal is not about fair play – it’s about fraud https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/man-city-ffp-fraud-news-premier-league-b2279693.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, east lower said: We moved out of the family stand (that was in the East Lower, having been moved from the Shed Lower. But, I’d ’persuaded’ a supplier to get two East-Middle ST’s. That was when you got a dinner, drinks and programmes included with the ticket - in with the posh people. Got to use them a good few times a year for ourselves and when there was a client who fancied it. They were front row, near the first gate next to the MH Stand. Great seats. Just realised why it’s Shed Lower, Harding Upper etc. The alternative would be to call it the Middle East - not the best name when you’re trying to stop fighting in the stands … 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Blood Is Blue Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, boratsbrother said: Without a doubt a lot, if not most clubs have been involved in some dodgy dealings over the years and decades of football. Brown paper envelopes, tapping up players etc etc etc. I also dont like our latest bit of playing within but bending the rules with the hotel business. Something which Simon Jordan actually applauded btw. But all that is on a completely different level to the what City are being charged with. Off the scale cheating and corruption the like of which has never been seen in this country. They need the severest punishment possible othwise they might as well do away with all the rules of football finance and just make it a free for all where everything and anything goes. I completely agree they should be severely punished, I just don’t believe that they will be. I have no faith in the PL to see this through to its fullest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 13 hours ago, boratsbrother said: I do have fond memories of those days with the dreadful pitches, playing in the snow with an orange ball and gentle souls like Chopper, Hunter and co sorting out the men ftom the boys. Me too. Those were th days, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneB Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 Erik ten Hag: How did Manchester United come to decision to keep Dutch coach and what happens now? | Football News | Sky Sports Well who'd have thought? And one less opening for the time being.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, JaneB said: Erik ten Hag: How did Manchester United come to decision to keep Dutch coach and what happens now? | Football News | Sky Sports Well who'd have thought? And one less opening for the time being.... It's because Jim Ratcliffe is a cheapskate essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 38 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: It's because Jim Ratcliffe is a cheapskate essentially. Pays less tax than me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Singleton Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 From today's Mail on Sunday... Football Leaks hacker threatens to release bombshell Man City emails and documents he claims will PROVE they breached FFP rules - as he insists he is 'CONFIDENT' authorities will 'find criminal relevancy' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13559713/Football-Leaks-hacker-Man-City-FFP-rules.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 14/06/2024 at 12:35, Ham said: Pays less tax than me. He lives most of the year in Monaco, so it is probably true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Massive respect to Jack Grealish here. Not the first time he's been the only one to take notice of youngsters ignored by everyone else 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Kelly Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Ham said: Massive respect to Jack Grealish here. Not the first time he's been the only one to take notice of youngsters ignored by everyone else 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Look how the lickspittle tries to stop him , speaks volumes about UEFA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chara Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 56 minutes ago, Mark Kelly said: Look how the lickspittle tries to stop him , speaks volumes about UEFA Not my favourite player but absolute respect and admiration for that very human and heartwarming effort. We old cynics would do well to remember our childhood and how we felt about the Gods that we thought walked among us, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciatika Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Just seen on Twitter: If and when Man City are found guilty of their 115 charges, the punishment should include having Gareth Southgate as their manager for a minimum of 5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Moon Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 10! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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